I've never had a situation where apple have forced me to take on an update to my devices.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, 31 August 2020 1:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for Joshua Apple already aggressively pushes out updates to their devices, for example, within a few days of a release, you won't be able to roll back to a previous release. Plus they drop pushing out security updates once a newer release has been deployed. With the adoption rate Apple has with new releases, I doubt it would be a serious PR issue for them to stop providing customer support for a release that's been superseded by a newer release that's still getting security updates. Apple wouldn't be the first company to ask you to update to a newer version of software before providing you support. Sometimes this is legitimate, since newer versions of the software will contain fixes for issues being reported to customer support. . You may be able to stay on IOS 12.4.1, but there's no guarantee that Apple will continue to provide customer support for an unsupported version of IOS. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with you staying on IOS 12.4.1 as long as you want. My only reason for posting is to let others know that there's no obligation or guarantee from Apple to support 12.4.1 forever. Plus, anyone who stays on IOS 12.4.1 will be missing out on security patches and may not get support from app developers on 12.4.1. I'm totally on board with people having the right to choose, as long as they're given accurate information to make that choice. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Robin > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 4:04 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: for Joshua > > Oh, but "They" Because I have AppleCare+ on it, & it would be a Bad > PR Move not to Support it. Pressuring a Consumer to Update a > SoftwareVersion, which "They" (Apple) deemed ReadyFor PublicRelease . > It's MyRight, as a Consumer Not to Update MyDevice'sSoftware & there > isn't AnyWhere in AppleCare+ that Sayz that I must, & I Called & > CheckedWith Apple's AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport, & "They" > indicated that I wouldn't Be Denied & that's that. > > At 08:33 AM 8/30/2020, you wrote: > >I'm not sure why you think Apple can't deny you telephone support for > >an older unsupported version of IOS. You may be getting telephone > >support for now, but I doubt it'll last forever. > >I'm pretty sure Apple isn't releasing security updates for 12.4.1 any > >more either. Plus there's nothing that says app developers have to > >continue to support 12.4.1. > > > >-- > >Christopher (AKA CJ) > >Chaltain at Gmail > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On > Behalf > > > Of Robin > > > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:59 PM > > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > > Subject: Re: for Joshua > > > > > > Okay, Ms. Shirley > > > After I received Your MessagePosting, which AppearsBelow > > > this MessagePosting of Mine, I decided to Call Apple's > > > AppleAccessibility TelephoneSupport @ 877-204-3930, To InQuire > > > about "what" you said, & I was informed that I wouldn't Be Denied > > > TelephoneSupport from Apple's AppleAccessibility because I > > > refused to update My VZW XS MAX from > > > iOS12.4.1 to WhatEver is the Latest iOS13 iteration. > > > > > > (I Presume) > > > it's because I didn't Update Past iOS12, > > as if I did "they" could say that the > > > BugFixes were Resolved in a Future iOS > > update of iOS13, but since I refused to > > > UpdatePast iOS12.4.1, I can't Be Denied TelephoneSupport from > > > AppleAccessibility on My VZW XS MAX At 06:30 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote: > > > >I just hope the device you don't have it on, you won't need help > > > >from Apple Accessibility because they told me they require you to > > > >have whatever device you're requesting help with, to be updated > > > >to the latest version or they won't help you so every since they > > > >told me that, I make sure my devices are all updated. > > > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Aug 29, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You Ask? How will "I Know"? > > > > > If Ya ReadMyReplyMessagePosting to > > > > ThisThread, I said, that I have Apple's iOS13 on My VZW 11PRO > > > > PrimarilyBecause that is the iOS version that it was > > > > LaunchedWith, but My VZW XS MAX wasn't, & Because of TheBugs > > > > AssociatedWith iOS13, I Refuse to Update it > > > > to iOS13, so it Remains on its Last Update, which is iOS12.4.1. > > > > > MayBe just MayBe > > > > > You're More TechSavy than I am. Yeah, > > > > that's MostLikely TheCase, as I'm not that TechSavy > > > > > > > > > > MyApologies, if this MessagePosting > > offends, as it isn't intended ToDoSo. > > > > > I'm just Stating-the-Facts, as "I See" them > > > > > > > > > > Blessin's to Those on ThisThread At 01:56 PM 8/29/2020, you > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> It's not that bad. How would you know how > > > > bad it is since you haven't updated? Some people are just > > > > unnecessarily paranoid.It's not that bad. > > > > >> > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robin > > > > >> > <robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Well, TheBigDeal is iOS13 IS Buggy, > > > > which is "Why" I Refuse to Update My VZW XS MAX, as it's going > > > > to Stay ON iOS12.4.1, which is the iOS version it was when I > > > > Purchased it, & I am PrivyTo TheBugs AssociatedWith > > > > iOS13 because "They" are present on My VZW 11PRO, & that > > > > MobileDevice is ON AutomaticUpdates (so far). It's > > > > TheUser'sChoice To Update or Not > > > > >> > At 01:13 PM 8/29/2020, you wrote: > > > > >> >> You can turn automatic update off but I > > > > don't see what the big deal is with not updating. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Joshua > > > > Hendrickson <louv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > ï»Ã šÃ‚¿Well, the good news is, I > > > > don't really mind the new update like I > > > > >> >> > thought I would. The only reason why I updated, was it > > > > >> >> > seemed like apple did the update, and I had to enter in my > > > > >> >> > touch ID. > > > > >> >> > I didn't have the option of saying later. There is this > > > > >> >> > weird tapping thing that might happen when you update. > > > > >> >> > You > > > > will feel it when you swipe on > > > > >> >> > the screen. Just call apple accessibility and they will > > > > >> >> > help you get rid of that. You won't be able to check > > > > >> >> > the status bar to see the battery level of a bluetooth device. > > > > >> >> > You have to go to battery on page one of your phone to see that. > > > > >> >> > Although, usually I can just ask Siri current battery > > > > >> >> > level and she will tell me the battery > > level of my iPhone and a bluetooth > > > device. If you have to update, good luck. > > > > >> >> > It really isn't that bad. > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> On 8/29/20, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> Hi Joshua, i thought of you last night > > > > when Apple seemed to be forcing me to > > > > >> >> >> update . I am still on 12.4.1. It > > > > was only when I disagreed with the terms > > > > >> >> >> did it go away. Today they are trying > > > > again. What I wanted to know is how > > > > >> >> >> are you getting along with the latest > > > > update. I am using the old SE. > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> Many thanks > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> Judy > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >>>> On 28 Aug 2020, at 23:16, Joshua > > > > Hendrickson <louv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> Alan is correct. I also have the exchange this title > > > > >> >> >>> option if I enter on the menu of an audible > > > > book. However, I always have to call > > > > >> >> >>> anyway if I want to exchange a title because I just > > > > >> >> >>> can't return a book not even from the audible website. > > > > >> >> >>> It has never worked for me except to phone. The > > > > >> >> >>> option to phone > > > > audible is even in the app when > > > > >> >> >>> I'm told I can't return a book. But > > > > the initial exchange this title > > > > >> >> >>> is deffinately in my audible app. > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>>> On 8/28/20, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>>> Well, Michael, I am in the states, > > > > and I donâ€â℄¢t have that option. I have e > > > > >> >> >>>> all > > > > >> >> >>>> of the other options, including send > > > > this book and add to favorites, but > > > > >> >> >>>> exchange is definitely not there. > > > > Multiple books on more than one phone > > > > >> >> >>>> show > > > > >> >> >>>> zip. Maybe it’s becbecause I get > > > > all ml my creditsits at once? Seems very odd. > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > >> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> >> >>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 2:55 PM, > > > > Michael Feir <michael.f...@gmail.com> > > > > >> >> >>>>> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>> ï»Ã‚¿ I think a couple of those > > > > >> >> >>>>> options, > > > > "sendd this book" and "exchange this > > > > >> >> >>>>> title" are only available in the US > > > > currently. I'm Canadian and need to > > > > >> >> >>>>> either call Audible or go to the > > > > full desktop version of the Auydible > > > > >> >> >>>>> site > > > > >> >> >>>>> and into "purchase history" in > > > > order to return titles. A dialogue opens > > > > >> >> >>>>> up > > > > >> >> >>>>> over the page once you double tap > > > > on "return" and then you need to > > > > >> >> >>>>> navigate that dialogue. Not too > > > > hard at all. I like the thought of > > > > >> >> >>>>> being > > > > >> >> >>>>> able to return books from right in > > > > the app so I hope they extend that > > > > >> >> >>>>> option to Canada. > > > > >> >> >>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 5:42 PM Richard Turner > > > > >> >> >>>>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> I just checked, and if you flick > > > > right once from the title of the book > > > > >> >> >>>>>> and double tap on the button labeled Menu, The buttons are: > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Book Details, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Rate and Review, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Mark as Finished, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Exchange this title, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Send This Boo, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Add to favorites, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Cancel. > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> HTH, > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Richard > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> "He that cannot forgive others > > > > breaks the bridge over which he must > > > > >> >> >>>>>> pass > > > > >> >> >>>>>> himself,†and we forget tthat > > > > only grace ccan break the cycle of ancient > > > > >> >> >>>>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is > > > > notable that while I have regretted not > > > > >> >> >>>>>> granting > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> grace to others, Iâ€â„„¢ve never > > > > once ce regrettedted extending it.)" - Edward > > > > >> >> >>>>>> Herbert > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Alan > > > > Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> ï»Ã‚¿Mary, > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> When I'm in my Library tab on the > > > > iOS Audible app and double tap the > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Menu button to the right of one > > > > of my listed books, I get a list of > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> vertically stacked options > > one of which is Exchange this title. > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Alan Lemly > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com > > > > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:21 PM > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> To: VIPhone via > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Subject: Returning or exchanging > > > > audible books using the iOS audible > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> app > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Someone in a WhatsApp group I am > > > > part of says that he is able to > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> exchange audible books from > > > > within the iOS audible app. If you go to > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> your library, get the list of > > > > books that you have downloaded, and > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> double > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> tap on the menu next to one of those books, > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> you get a bunch of choices, one > > > > of which is supposed to be return or > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> exchange this book. I have tried this, not because > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> I wanted to exchange something, but just because I > > > > wanted to see if I have a choice. And I > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> donï¿Ã½t. > > The books I tried it on or a couple of > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> recently purchased books. So they > > > > definitely met the criteria for > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> possible exchange. But > > > > Iï¿ÂÀšÃ‚½m not seeing this choice. Is anyone > > > > else > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> seeing > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> it? > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> -- > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> The following information is important for all > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> members of the V iPhone list. > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or > > > > concerns about the running of this list, > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> or > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> if you feel that a member's post > > > > is inappropriate, please contact the > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> owners or moderators directly > > > > rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > >> >> >>>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is > > > > Mark Taylor. 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