This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how you 
would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the exercises 
could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really getting down 
into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a way that someone 
who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a separate track, but 
trying to do that at the same time as you have a track with a trainer or coach 
plus music, and trying to understand all that in real time? I don’t know. It 
would be great of course. But I’m thinking that they might need a separate 
descriptive track that a blind person would have to listen to separately to get 
the hang of things. I know somebody who has done rowing for instance. And she 
said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing app, she would not have known what to 
do if she had an already experienced rowing in real life on a rowing team. In 
the meantime, I sure do wish that Apple would offer more flexibility in their 
bundles. In order to get Apple news plus for instance, you have to buy the big 
$30 bundle, which includes the arcade and fitness plus, which are useless if 
you are a voiceover user. TV plus and Apple News+ are both accessible. So how 
about an accessibility bundle that includes the things that we could actually 
use at a decent price? I have actually suggested that to Apple accessibility, 
hoping that they pass it along. Why should I have to buy stuff I can’t use?
For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why 
should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing as 
how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to benefit 
from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they mean what 
they say, they should have more bundles tailored with Accessibility in mind.


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> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with 
> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I could 
> swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple Fitness 
> Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage with Apple so 
> these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. 
> 
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> Robles
> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users
> 
> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I just 
> tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday and I 
> quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during the video 
> as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the walking workouts 
> since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted to do the body 
> core workouts those were not really described unfortunately there’s some 
> really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not being 
> described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for me 
> since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. Sorry 
> I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple fitness 
> plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one subscription that 
> has four services in one.
> 
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>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If 
>> so, how was / is your experience?
>> 
>> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it 
>> appears in all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.
>> 
>> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based 
>> content to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the 
>> forum.
>> 
>> I look forward to your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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