Mary, your point is well taken here. There was also a cassette at one time you could buy and I forget the name of it, but ann Morris enterprises sold it. It had a mobility instructor who talked you through the exercises. On one side of the cassette, she described all the moves you would be doing on the workout, and on the other side was the actuall workout. Of course, if Apple Fitness Plus would get someone on there like Leslie Samsone, who does good but simple walking workouts, that would be good for us too. I have done her workouts before, and her moves are simple enough and her descriptions good enough that we can do them. For example, she will do sidesteps, knee lifts, and kicks. Those don’t need that much description. I mean, though it might be a little helpful to know how high she lifts her knee up, you can sort of gauge it and make your own decision about that. Plus she will tell you during the heaviest part of the workout to do higher kicks, etc. I think it would honestly be great if they could get some workouts by her on Apple Fitness Plus, or maybe someone just as good at describing the moves you do.
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 12:00 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Arnold, > Your response is exactly why I think if they want to make this accessible, > they’re going to have to find somebody or more than one person who can > actually describe these things. At one point, there was a small entrepreneur > company called wind alive. They had exercises and they had descriptions done > by somebody who did a good job describing them so that a blind person would > know what the heck was going on. Once you mastered that, you could do the > exercises along with the workout stuff. I don’t know that Apple is going to > be willing to do that. It’s not OK to suppose that a blind person is going to > have the wherewithal to learn how to do these exercises without such > description or in person assistance, which most of us have no access to. It’s > too darn expensive. Hence my desire to have alternative bundles. But I guess > that’s another topic. There’s no way I’m subscribing to apple fitness without > good descriptions. Cited people can look and we can’t. So if they want to > make it accessible, they will have to put in a whole lot of work. Line > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Arnold Schmidt <als5...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think it could work, but the blind user would have to be willing to learn >> the exercise nomenclature such as what is a side lateral with a weight, what >> is a lunge, and all the other technical names of the exercises being >> performed. Also, the blind user would have to learn how to do this stuff on >> their own some way. The audio describer wouldn't have time to describe what >> all these exercises are and how to do them, there simply wouldn't be time. A >> way sighted people learn is to watch somebody do something and then try to >> imitate it. The blind can't do that, they either have to be told in detail >> how to do it, or have somebody show them hands on. It is my opinion that >> this specialized learning is not the responsibility of the describer, we >> would need to learn it on our own some way. Some of the following names I am >> making up, there may not be such exercises. The describer could say side >> stradle hop while that is happening, then lunge, then backward stretch hop >> while that is happening, etc. Many years ago, I took, as it were, an adapted >> aerobics class and this is the way it was done. >> >> Arnold Schmidt >> >> >> Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 >> >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is an interesting area of discussion. I honestly cannot imagine how >> you would do a description track with a work out track. I get how the >> exercises could be described by somebody who could be good at that, really >> getting down into the exact positions of everything, and describing it in a >> way that someone who has never seen could grasp and do. I could see it as a >> separate track, but trying to do that at the same time as you have a track >> with a trainer or coach plus music, and trying to understand all that in >> real time? I don’t know. It would be great of course. But I’m thinking that >> they might need a separate descriptive track that a blind person would have >> to listen to separately to get the hang of things. I know somebody who has >> done rowing for instance. And she said that with the Apple Fitness+ rowing >> app, she would not have known what to do if she had an already experienced >> rowing in real life on a rowing team. In the meantime, I sure do wish that >> Apple would offer more flexibility in their bundles. In order to get Apple >> news plus for instance, you have to buy the big $30 bundle, which includes >> the arcade and fitness plus, which are useless if you are a voiceover user. >> TV plus and Apple News+ are both accessible. So how about an accessibility >> bundle that includes the things that we could actually use at a decent >> price? I have actually suggested that to Apple accessibility, hoping that >> they pass it along. Why should I have to buy stuff I can’t use? >> For that matter, if one is profoundly deaf and likes the Apple stuff, why >> should they have to pay for music if they want all the other stuff, seeing >> as how music is something that a profoundly deaf person is not going to >> benefit from. If Apple wants to really take the next step in showing they >> mean what they say, they should have more bundles tailored with >> Accessibility in mind. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >>> >>> That is an interesting area of discussion because Apple is so good with >>> accessibility and inclusion in some areas and in others they are not. I >>> could swear I heard a reference regarding this when they talked about Apple >>> Fitness Plus and this would be a great area for any lobbyists to engage >>> with Apple so these workouts eventually get good audio descriptions. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> CHELA Robles >>> Sent: September 16, 2021 9:02 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users >>> >>> Hey Mark Taylor, it’s very interesting you bring up this topic because I >>> just tried it out not too long ago in fact I think I tried it out on Monday >>> and I quickly gave up because there weren’t any audio descriptions during >>> the video as to how to do certain things that’s why I chose to do the >>> walking workouts since all I had to do was walk even though I really wanted >>> to do the body core workouts those were not really described unfortunately >>> there’s some really good cardio ones but again you run the risk of them not >>> being described as far as the movements go. The walking ones are easier for >>> me since all I have to do is walk or run for a certain amount of minutes. >>> Sorry I can’t be very helpful. I only just recently started using Apple >>> fitness plus whatever it’s called since I already have an Apple one >>> subscription that has four services in one. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 5:00 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> Question: does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus? 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