Yeah I need to sort this out
But I tried it some time back but couldn’t get it to work,

Might try it tomorrow when I’ve got time.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2021 5:25 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Actually since one of the later versions of iOS 14, I think maybe 14.5 or 14.6, 
you can unlock your iPhone if you wear a mask as long as you also have an Apple 
Watch, are wearing it and if you have a passcode set for your Apple Watch and, 
lastly, if you turn on the ability in Settings > Face Id and Passcode. It works 
great, your iPhone basically communicates with your watch and unlocks, but 
while you can unlock your phone this way, you cannot authenticate an Apple Pay 
transaction, you either have to take  your mask off for a few seconds or 
authenticate by entering your passcode.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther 
Levegnale
Sent: September 22, 2021 6:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

right. I could imagine it would not work with a mask. Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net<mailto:4carol...@windstream.net>> wrote:
It does work for me with or without sunglasses, but not with a mask.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Levegnale
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:58 PM
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Cc: Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: Face recognition

that sounds like a good plan to me too. I was just wondering, if you use facial 
ID and you have sunglasses on, would it work? Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!


   On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Lisa Belville 
<missktlab1...@frontier.com<mailto:missktlab1...@frontier.com>> wrote:



   Hi.


   The major reason someone may not want a pass code is because, if they're 
like me,  I unlock my phone too many times a day to count.  It's just extra 
taps for someone and more to concentrate on if walking or riding in a vehicle 
driving over bumpy roads. Holding the phone up just seems more intuitive.



   Lisa Belville
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   On 9/22/2021 2:05 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


       It is quite easy to enter a passcode with VoiceOver.


       It simply depends on your typing mode settings whether you have to 
double tap each digit or just touch and lift.


       But, if you can type anything on an iPhone, you can enter a passcode.














       Richard


       "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it." - Jane Wagner





       My Web site: https://www.turner42.com








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       From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer


       Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:03 PM


       To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


       Subject: RE: Face recognition





              Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then without 
voiceover?





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       From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn


       Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM


       To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


       Subject: RE: Face recognition





       I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for 
one, would not want to do that.





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       From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Star Gazer


       Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM


       To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


       Subject: RE: Face recognition





                  How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? I've 
never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas?





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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Carolyn


       Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM


       To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


       Subject: RE: Face recognition





       Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits.





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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel


       Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM


       To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


       Subject: RE: Face recognition





       You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a 
passcode even if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. 
Face Id works so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help 
you set it up.


       As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to 
imagine a clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock 
is at the bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 
o'clock is on the left side?


       You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation 
of the Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South 
(down) and West (to the left).


       All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, 
is to hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a 
bit to the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure 
somebody could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode 
which for some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen 
and you are good to go.








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<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson


       Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM


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       Subject: Re: Face recognition





       If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode 
instead.  I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode 
when using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then 
I would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.


       I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up 
face ID.





       On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> 
wrote:


           A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's 
length.








           -----Original Message-----


           From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of


           Carolyn


           Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM


           To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


           Subject: RE: Face recognition





           Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our


           apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your 
face.


           The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to


           the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy


           at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it 
myself.


           If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.





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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On


           Behalf Of Kay Malmquist


           Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM


           To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>


           Subject: Face recognition





           I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in


           to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted


           help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.





           Kay Malmquist


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<mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com>





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