I agree with you about Touch ID.  I have been using an iPhone XR with Face ID 
and I miss touch ID.  For one thing, I would rather lay my finger on a home 
button than having to hold my arm away from me with my phone.  For another 
thing, the organization I work for has had a couple COVID outbreaks recently 
which caused us to need to wear masks again.  It seems that COVID will be here 
for a long time so I’m guessing this isn’t the last time for us going back to 
masks.  I’m considering an SE the next time I purchase a phone so I can have my 
touch ID back. 

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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more 
> reliable and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more 
> convenient to use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned 
> so face ID will work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep 
> me from buying a phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch 
> happier.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
> live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
> for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
> gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and 
> when my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is 
> just not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more 
> reliable for me.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell 
> out big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came 
> across some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had 
> Amazon's   return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or 
> if it showed up looking too rough.
> I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
> sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
> battery's at 95% too. 
> Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
> face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
> more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do 
> you need for OCR? 
> If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
> have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work 
> for the millionth time.
> 
> Cristóbal
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
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> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don't 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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