Here is an article that may help.  Link to web page is at the end.

What do eSIMs mean for switching network?
using phone 

This is perhaps the key advantage of eSIMs. As it stands switching networks can 
be fiddly and time-consuming, but eSIMs look set to change all that.

Because they are rewritable, you can essentially change networks as you please 
if your carrier supports the tech.

Best of all, you can store more than one plan on a smartphone's eSIM (although 
you can only use one at a time), so you can chop and change depending on where 
you are in the world.

The hope is that eSIMs will make switching seamless, without the usual fuss of 
phone calls, demands for PAC numbers and waiting for the switch to take place.

EE is offering dedicated QR codes which can be scanned to activate eSIM–based 
accounts.

Head of eSIM Strategy at Sim Local, Gary Waite, said: "Switching networks today 
means having to get hold of a new SIM card, either by visiting a retail shop or 
waiting for one to arrive in the post. Then, it means physically removing the 
old SIM card from the device (and locating that special tool or bending out a 
paperclip) then inserting the new one - hoping the new SIM card is the right 
size for the device! All these steps are tedious enough to put many people off 
switching networks at all.

"eSIM turns all of the above into a few simple menu taps. And whilst phones can 
typically only hold one SIM card, an eSIM-enabled phone can hold several eSIM 
plans at the same time, with the user easily able to switch between them.

"Some networks were worried about the advent of eSIM because they felt that 
churn would rise as a result of the ease of switching. As a matter of fact, 
customers who look to switch to eSIMs will still need to adhere to pre-pay and 
post-pay contracts.

"One key benefit for the consumer with eSIM is when they travel abroad. They 
can now download a local SIM plan after they arrive at their destination (or 
even before they get on the plane). As nearly all eSIM-enabled phones also 
support dual-SIM technology, they can benefit from low cost data and still 
receive calls from their friends and family on their home number."

Which networks support eSIMs?
iphone deal networks

Major UK networks like EE, VMO2, Vodafone and Three all support eSIMs in some 
format – although Vodafone's eSIM efforts are still limited to iPad and Apple 
Watch contracts.

What are the other advantages that eSIMs offer?
In terms of current devices, the biggest draw of eSIMs is being able to quickly 
add a second telephone number to go alongside that's attached to your main SIM 
card.

That means that you can have two phone numbers on a single device, which is 
very handy if you have separate business and personal lines but don’t want to 
lug around a second phone all the time.

Then there’s the added bonus for travellers. While cheap roaming is becoming 
increasingly prevalent, often it pays to have a local number if you’re in a 
different location for a longer period of time.

eSIMs mean you can activate a local line on your device without having to go to 
a local provider and arrange a price plan.

If your eSIM uses a different network to your standard SIM, you can easily 
switch between the two. This is especially useful if data coverage is poor on 
one but not the other.

On the latest iPhones, you can assign one SIM as the primary line for services 
like FaceTime and iMessage, while using the other as a secondary SIM for basics 
such as calls.

>From a design perspective, eSIMs also mean that phones should become even 
>slimmer, with no need for a SIM tray.

The chips themselves are much smaller than the cards currently used in most 
phones, leaving mobile manufacturers space to either trim the size of handsets 
or add other essentials, such as larger batteries.

As you might expect, Gary Waite of Sim Local sees lots of benefits to eSIMs. 
According to him, "The SIM card, although it has progressively shrunk in size 
over the years (mini-SIM to micro-SIM to nano-SIM) is still quite a large 
component in a mobile device – too large for smaller devices like smartwatches 
and other wearables. eSIM reduces the hardware requirement down to a chip less 
than 2mm, therefore opening the door to a whole new range of small device form 
factors.

"Even in smartphones, real-estate inside the device is incredibly valuable, and 
the space taken up by the SIM card can be used for other purposes, including a 
bigger battery. Many will remember Apple ditching the headphone socket in the 
iPhone 7 for that very reason. Therefore, removal of the SIM tray brings new 
opportunity space, not to mention the additional advantage of device 
waterproofing.

"It’s not just consumer devices that benefit either, eSIM solves many problems 
in the world of IoT (Internet of Things). Consider a smart meter manufacturer, 
deploying millions of electricity meters across the country. Today, each of 
these units will have a SIM card, meaning that if a network change is required, 
an engineer will have to visit each meter to swap out the SIM card – 
logistically complex and expensive. eSIM allows a wholesale change of network 
across the entire meter estate, should that be required, at the touch of a 
button.

"In addition to getting customers connected much quicker and easier, there are 
further benefits for the networks too – the logistic costs of SIM cards, 
including warehousing and postage, which far outweigh the cost of the SIM card 
itself – all but disappear. eSIM allows networks to digitally distribute eSIM 
plans to customers no matter where they are.

"Finally, we should not forget the environmental benefits of eSIM – today, more 
than 6 billion SIM cards are produced every year – that’s a great deal of 
plastic and potentially harmful chemicals going to landfill. eSIM will remove 
this completely."

https://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/guides/what-are-esims-what-do-they-mean-for-switching-network/#esims_switching_network

Richard, USA.
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-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
rick.alf...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although I am a fan of switching sim cards 
to play with other phones, I do imagine that someone will come up with a way of 
easily transferring an ESim from one phone to another. Question is would this 
be a user accessible possibility? I have no idea but I imagine some resourceful 
hacker type person will come up with a way.



-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT&T store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net <dandrews...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have the same question.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>>> just fine?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>>> Of M.
>>>> Taylor
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> And so it begins.
>>>> 
>>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>>> iPhone
>>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>> 
>>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>> 
>>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat 
>>>> surprised to learn that, according to him, the store has been 
>>>> inundated  by customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM 
>>>> tray.
>>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response 
>>>> to the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, 
>>>> Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM 
>>>> tray model, if that is what you want."
>>>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> So, the search begins.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>>>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple 
>>>> online store, without designating a wireless provider, that Apple 
>>>> will ship you a model with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot 
>>>> locate anyone to confirm this.
>>>> 
>>>> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to 
>>>> pick up a model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, 
>>>> of course, I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but 
>>>> that makes me somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think 
>>>> I'd rather go to Canada, in person, to grab a model.
>>>> 
>>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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