Hopefully longer than the 14 pro and pro max. They used to be good for at least 4 to 5 years. And of course, they still are if you don't want the newest features ... o well.
Richard, USA "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement Quite right Richard, I wonder how long the shelf life of the 15 Pro Max will prove to be? Malcolm Parfitt > On 12 Jun 2024, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner <richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > That is what " planned obsolescence" means. Companies plan on a piece of > equipment or software to become obscolete so you have to replace it, or put > up with the reduced effectiveness... > > > > Richard, USA > "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than > a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or > you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. > Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Carolyn Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:59 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > It's a way to sell more phones too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 11:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > Nope. > > Apparently only the A17 chip will be able to take advantage of Apple > Intelligence. I believe yours has the A16 chip. > > As Sieghard mentioned, with the 14 and 15 they give the non-pro models the > previous phone’s chip. So the 14 and 14 plus have the same chip as the 13 > pro and pro max, the 14 pro and pro max had the newest chip, then the 15 and > 15 plus have the same A16 chip as the 14 pro and pro max, and the 15 pro and > pro max got the new A17. > > So, logically, Apple will give the 16 and 16 plus the A17 and the 16 pro and > pro max the A18… > > > > This is called by some, like me, planned obsolescence. > > Most companies practice this, so it isn’t just Apple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard, USA > > "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than > a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or > you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. > Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) > > > > My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com> > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > mi...@eastlink.ca > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2024 8:14 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Hi I just got a I phone 14 prow max so will this phone have apple > intelligence? From Mich. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: June 11, 2024 8:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Actually Apple Intelligence will only be available on phones with the A17 or > newer processor which means the iPhone 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max as well as > probably all this year's iPhone 16 models. > > Starting with the iPhone 14 series phones Apple differentiated the regular > iPhone and iPhone Plus from the Pro and Pro Max by only giving the Pro phones > the latest processor and the regular phones had the processor from the year > before. Therefore, the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus have the same processor as the > iPhone 13 series phones, the A15. Only the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max received > the A16 Bionic processor in 2022. Then in 2023 when the iPhone 15/15 Plus and > 15 Pro and 15 Pro Max were released, the 15 and 15 Plus received the A16 > Bionic from 2022 and the same as in iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max. Only the 15 Pro > and Pro Max received the new A17 Bionic chip released last year and it is > that chip which seems to be the minimum requirement for Apple Intelligence. > This year the regular iPhone 16 and 16 Plus will get the A17 Bionic from last > year and I assume that these phones will therefore meet the minimum > requirements for Apple Intelligence. The iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max if that is > what they will be called will get the latest A18 chip. > > I assume Apple will want as many people to have access to Apple Intelligence > and I therefore don't think they would consider making it available only on > Pro phones and nothing was said about it during the presentation either. My > 2-year contract for my 13 Pro will be up I think in late November and I may > just have to upgrade in order to get access to Apple Intelligence and all it > can do and all the new Siri with Chat GPT integration can do. Normally I > would have probably kept my iPhone 13 Pro for another year, but this all > sounds just too cool and useful to pass it up. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Chela Robles > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 9:44 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > Well, I got an email from Apple today and it looks like all the AI stuff is > gonna be on all of the iPhone 15 models, not series 14. So I for one won’t be > getting any major update as far as seeing anything with AI as to my knowledge > since I have an iPhone 14. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 10, 2024, at 8:36 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com > <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 5:45 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > We all know what Siri is like right now, but with full AI integration I > have a feeling we may all be surprised how amazing it may end up being; of > course from the little I heard this will not be one of these on/off moments > where as soon as iOs 18 is released in September it will include all of what > it will have a year from now and after the main .1, .2 and .3 updates which > typically happen in Late October, before Christmas or in the new year and > again in early March. And then of course it is my understanding that the true > Apple Intelligence will require at least an iPhone 15 Pro or later so for > many of us it may be years before we experience it all and by then of course > even more powerful hardware and advances in AI will even add more > functionality. One thing I am sure of is that in the next years we'll see a > lot of cool stuff around all the AI development and we'll benefit greatly > from it. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 12:30 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > I literally asked Siri this morning what time was the WWDC keynote and I > got one of those generic “”this is what I found on the web.” > > Whatever they do or don’t’ do with Siri, it can’t be as bad as it is X > years later than when it was introduced. Just one hot useless mess. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of > Tai Tomasi > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2024 11:10 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Today's WWDC keynote and iOS 18 announcement > > > > We are currently into a whole new section where they talk about AI. They > just separated it. > > Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. > > Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com <mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com> > > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. > > > > On Jun 10, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: > > > > After all the hipe in the tech media about how Apple was going to > announce how Siri in iOS 18 would be deeply integrated with AI, it was > disappointing to listen to the section about iOS 18 and to my knowledge not > hear the word Siri or AI even once. 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