Would you be taking the device underwater?
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:56 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Scuba diving and accessible dive logs haha. I mean, you have a point but, its also the fact developers aren't aware we even exist. Sure, they know there are blind people in the world but, they don't often consider that a blind person might want to use there application. And it really takes more than just reason when money is involved. I mean seriously? What segment of the population scuba dives. Now, how much of them are blind? And further, how many of them own an IOS device. You could probably fit these people comfortably around my dining room table. So the trick is, how do you make the developer care? I agree money screams but, I don't see how a hand full of people could effect the developers bottom line. So, you would have to just convince them its the right thing to do, although it might end up with them loosing money on the endeavor. And in my opinion, that is the real problem. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: > accessible diving apps aren't the only apps that need to be made more accessible. the problem is that the developers are of the opinion that we don't matter. we need to make them understand (even if it means that we attack their revenue stream) that we are a non-trivial market segment and that, the blind, are participating in more of the same activities that everyone else does. > > I have already had some experience with a developer that wouldn't even listen to reason, even when his position violates US federal law (he's the developer of the smart crd system for the denver-rtd regional transit system. The person is so stubborn in his position that he has gone as far as trying to deactivate accessibility features on the denver-rtd.com website. It basically took a direct order from his boss before he would even come over to the colorado center for the blind to talk to us. I am still not certain he has recognized the error of his opinion. > > anyway, we as a community, need to make these developers see that we are serious (even if it means that we have to cut off their funding to do so). > > its the old adage: money doesn't talk. it SCREAMS at the top of its lungs. > > -eric > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Louise Redsull wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> Now I think it would be different as there are a number of IOS apps which could help, varhying in accessibility though but the more people who would use them the stronger the case for getting the developer to work on the app. >> Take care, >> >> Louise. >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk >> Sent: 16 December 2012 3:12 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Scuba diving and accessible dive logs >> >> Considering that, when I entered the class, the instructor politely asked me if he could show me to the *RIGHT* place, because obviously, ha ha, I didn't want to be in Scuba diving class. Oh BOY was he apologetic when I pulled the woman who FAILED the swim test out of the water before she drowned. I was the best in that class (as I usually am at anything I attempt *grin*) and when he failed me, I just got up and left without a word. Should've maybe contacted the NFB, but I was 17 at the time and at Dartmouth and I was beginning to figure out that I didn't need someone else to tell me I'd passed a course or a test. I bet I could go back today and, except for the formulas for decompression time and safe diving time, I'd pass again. And, this wouldn't be a hard app to make for IOS, though I don't think the Otterbox was designed to keep your I thing dry at 30-50 feet. :) pressure might actually make the screen implode at that depth. :) However, I've thought from time to time about accessible dive meter/depth gauge, so maybe it could be controlled by an I thing on the surface, though obviously there are design flaws with this. 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