Hello Sieghard: I have no doubt that the task is possible on a PC using a number of solutions. My point was just to illustrate the simplicity of doing it in iOS.
Cheers. Grant On 1/24/13, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Grant, > > Could you not have used Skype for the Facebook chat session? I don't want > to > say it's not perfectly OK to use the iPhone as from what you described it > worked well, but you can link your Facebook account to Skype and I have > chatted with people where I was on Skype and they were on Facebook. There > seems to be very little difference from both being on Skype. I have, of > course, not tried this with a number of people, but as long as you run Doug > Lee's Skype scripts for Jaws doing Instant Messaging with Skype and Jaws > works beautifully. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Grant Hardy > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:37 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Not As It Seems To Be - Was: Iphone 5 satisfaction ? > > ^It's worth pointing out that there are plenty, plenty of apps, both on the > job and not, that JAWS doesn't work with at all including many of the > built-in apps included in Windows 8, as well as most third-party "metro" > apps. While you may have lucked out in your particular case with Lotus > Notes > on the job, there are plenty of other JAWS users that have encountered > inaccessible or inefficient apps. An app being accessible to JAWS isn't the > exception, but it isn't the rule either. No finger-pointing here, but > simply > my opinion. > > Recently, in the course of my university studies I encountered a situation > where I needed to arrange an online chat with a group of people to > collaborate. After investigating various ways to do that with JAWS on my > PC, > I presently changed course and turned to the device I'm learning to depend > on more and more: my iPhone. That device, where I paid zero dollars for the > screen reader, offered a totally accessible group chat environment that > lent > itself perfectly to my purposes. I'm not saying that I could not have done > this on my PC, but this was a fast-paced and time-sensitive environment > where backing out due to the chat not working, wasn't really an option. > Frankly, I trusted my iPhone quite a bit more than my PC in this situation. > (For the record, we were using Facebook Chat to conduct the meeting, a > surprisingly tricky task to accomplish on a PC it seems). > > The reality is, everything on the iPhone talks out of the box, and > VoiceOver > accessible apps seem to be the rule rather than the exception. Rather than > analyzing the politics of the screen reader in question, I just want to > know > whether it's going to meet my needs and how much I can do with it. iOS > seems > to be leading the way at present, and I haven't seen anything to suggest > that building the screen reader into the OS is a bad thing, quite the > contrary actually, it seems to make things that much more robust. > > > > On 1/24/13, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm not so sure that those in the blindness community who expressed >> concerns about MS getting into the screen reader business was so short >> sighted. There's no guarantee that JAWS would still exist if MS had >> come out with their own screen reader, and I'm sure JAWS is a superior >> screen reader to anything that MS would have come up with. For >> example, I doubt very much MS would have spent much time making Lotus >> Notes accessible with their screen reader meaning I would have lost my >> job years ago. I think there's a real concern with having the screen >> reader being developed by the same company that develops the OS and the > applications. >> Apple's done a great job, and I'm appreciative of their commitment, >> but I do wonder about non-Apple products and their support with VO. >> It's obviously not a problem if you're only using Apple products, but >> I can see where a job would require you to use alternative apps, like >> Chrome, MS Office and so on. Sure you can say it's up to the app >> developer to make their application accessible, but I need accessible >> apps and not finger pointing between the OS developer and the app > developer. >> >> >> On 23/01/13 19:19, David Chittenden wrote: >>> Then, I am doubly thankful that Apple exhibited the foresight to not >>> check with the apparently short-sighted blindness community. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 24/01/2013, at 6:03, "Bill Gallik" <wfgal...@charter.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Please pardon me for this somewhat off topic message, but I do feel >>>> obligated to clear the air just a wee bit on a subtle matter that >>>> has come up in the original thread. >>>> >>>> Now first, let me say that I also am extremely pleased with my >>>> iPhone 5 and the embedded accessibility. And likewise; major, major >>>> KUDOS to Apple for having the (dare I say) foresight to design that >>>> accessibility right into their products. Certainly, Apple is to be >>>> commended for the effort to provide devices that customers can use >>>> right out of the box without incurring additional, prohibitive expense. >>>> >>>> But I have to point out that Microsoft at one point had mulled >>>> around the idea of providing at least an embedded screen reader in >>>> the Windows OS; I'm sure there are more than a few others on this >>>> list that will remember this. The company had approached both NFB >>>> and ACB with feelers to get an idea how that would be received by >>>> the blind and visually impaired community. The result of that inquiry > caused Microsoft to drop the idea. >>>> I must confess my guilt here as I replied with a resounding "NO" to >>>> this idea -- I regret to say now. Why I (and many others I presume) >>>> replied that way is not germane to this list, but I think we should >>>> be careful not to imply that Microsoft has been insensitive to our > circumstances. >>>> Just for the record. >>>> ---------------- >>>> Holland's Man, Bill >>>> - "A hospital bed is a parked taxi with the meter running." >>>> - Julius Henry (Groucho) Marx, 1890 - 1977 >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" > Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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