Sorry, I meant monitor router logs to see which addresses the app is using, not monitoring traffic data itself.
Grant On 2013-01-27, at 5:16 PM, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I completely agree that this is possible, I'm just wondering whether an app > like this, aimed at a relatively small audience and dealing with fairly small > chunks of data, likely receiving crowd sourced answers from many different > places, would go to the trouble of setting up location-based routing rules > and routing data accordingly. Of course, it's possible and we could likely > find out by monitoring the traffic that leaves our networks and then > comparing them. Anyway, an interesting insight. > > Grant > > On 2013-01-27, at 5:09 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, routing to specific servers is entirely possible when location is >> known. For instance, I am in New Zealand. Using a server in Australia is >> much better than using a server in the US. If on the west coast of the US, >> there are lag differences between the west coast and the east coast. I don't >> know much about it, but a cousin who works in multinational corporate >> networking told me a while ago that data flow routing and analytics is one >> of the larger pieces of his job. A picture is anywhere from a few hundred KB >> to a few MB in size, so data routing can become important, if you want to >> minimise delays anyway. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 28/01/2013, at 13:55, Grant Hardy <grantha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Could you elaborate on this, David? Sounds interesting but I can't imagine >>> a plethora of algorithms would exist just to help route a picture over the >>> internet slightly more efficiently depending on where you are. It seems >>> more likely to me that location services are used for analytics, but I'm >>> open and interested for you to elaborate on your message. A picture would >>> be a tiny chunk of data and I'm not aware of any apps, even dat,-intensive >>> ones, that use your location to slightly tweak data reliability. I mean, I >>> guess maybe Tap Tap See could route to specific servers, but do you really >>> think they do that? >>> >>> Grant >>> >>> On 2013-01-27, at 4:49 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ah, so location services is most likely used to tell the servers how to >>>> route your picture and response. This is probably also the case with >>>> similar apps. Server routing can make a difference of several seconds. >>>> Increase the distance and number of routing points increases time delays. >>>> Knowing your general location (city, state, country) allows routing >>>> routines to be most efficient. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 28/01/2013, at 13:04, "Eileen Misrahi" <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I decided to uninstall and then install the app again in order not to >>>>> select >>>>> "location services" on. It appears to me that the responses are somewhat >>>>> slower than when the "location services" was turned on. However, I rather >>>>> put up with the slower responsiveness, if it protects me. Has others seen >>>>> a >>>>> difference in the response rate when "location services" is turned off. I >>>>> am >>>>> just curious, as I can live with it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Eileen >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>>> Of Vicky Collins >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:42 AM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement >>>>> >>>>> Looks like you may be right. They have a twitter account which I found >>>>> at: >>>>> >>>>> https://mobile.twitter.com/taptapsee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, if one reads through the tweets there, they indicate a combination of >>>>> database algorithm and crowdsourcing being used. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Lauren Simmons" <simmonslaure...@gmail.com >>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:11:00 -0800 >>>>> Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement >>>>> >>>>> I think TapTapSee is using some derivative of crowd sourcing to determine >>>>> objects and other photo content. When experimenting with this app I >>>>> noticed >>>>> there weren't actual specifics given, just an overall description of the >>>>> object. Furthermore, the information sent back to me was not consistent. >>>>> In Tom's case below, I'm assuming a sighted person on the other end was >>>>> able >>>>> to read the billboard and convey the sign's content. Whatever you do, I >>>>> say >>>>> you make sure you do not send pictures of personal information such as >>>>> mail >>>>> and such which can be used to identify you. By the way, on initial >>>>> installation I disabled location tracking and the app works just fine. >>>>> >>>>> LS >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Thom" <thom3...@gmail.com >>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:00 AM >>>>> Subject: RE: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Grant, Cara, and others, >>>>> Do you suppose that it uses the location tracking to help identify where >>>>> you are? >>>>> The other day, I was sitting in a car, in a parking lot of a store. I >>>>> took >>>>> a picture out the window, and tap tap see came back with "Big Lots >>>>> Parking >>>>> lot". >>>>> Big lot's is the name of the store. I was thinking that it may have seen >>>>> the big lots sign or logo. But after reading this, maybe it uses the >>>>> location tracking information, seeing that I was at Big Lots. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, would we lose some of it's functionality by turning off location >>>>> tracking? >>>>> >>>>> Side note... Cara, you've been too quiet, I miss seeing your posts and >>>>> smiles. >>>>> >>>>> Thom >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>>> Of Grant Hardy >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:38 AM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Tap Tap See Privacy Statement >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was just reading this today and was similarly surprised. One >>>>> thing I >>>>> would >>>>> do right away is switch off location services for the app; I >>>>> don't believe >>>>> there's any advantage to you to leave them on. Actually, this >>>>> is the case >>>>> for a number of apps, including VizWiz. There's no tangible >>>>> benefit to you >>>>> to have location services on and in fact it probably has a small >>>>> impact on >>>>> battery life. >>>>> >>>>> Grant >>>>> >>>>> On 1/24/13, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: >>>>> HI all, just downloaded Tap tap see and thought I'd share the >>>>> privacy >>>>> statement with the list. I've pasted the link and statement >>>>> below. 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