well, the last of talksback is better than the older versions of this
software. It is not like voiceOver, even though It is avery dirty way to get
blind customers. It could be possible, in the business world is possible
everything.
In my opinion, compare voice Over with talks back is as compare a horse with
a car. For a few things is better use a horse as transportation, but it is
not very eficient.
P
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From: "Philip S" <philso1...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung
Just curious, is it possible that Samsung is thinking about capturing
some of the blind/visually impaired consumer smartphone market from
Apple, albeit in a very nasty and unwise way?
Does anyone know if Samsung is working on some major smartphone
accessibility project?
On 2/23/13, Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
The patent does not simply apply to the home button, at least as
originally submitted. Despite that, I would say that any reaction at
the moment is a bit overblown, after all, the court did stay the
action on this patent for now with a plain hint that the ruling in the
federal court was likely to turn out badly for Samsung. In any case,
from reading the patent
(the US version of the patent, anyway, I don't read German, the patent
seems to have other issues, it is very wide and I know of two products
which did this even before the Korean patent which the American and
German patents are based on was issued back in 1999. Samsung has
already narrowed the patent significantly, but according to the judge,
eeven the narrowed patent is unlikely to succeed. I haven't seen the
narrowed patent description, and don't know where it can be found
online if it can be found at all. The US patent is at
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6937700.PN.&OS=PN/6937700&RS=PN/6937700
The german patent, for those of us who know that language, is at
http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE000010040386B4&page=1&dpi=150&lang=de
and a blogger's description of the stay and reasons for it is at
http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html
The blogger, Florian Mueller, has a bunch of interesting links with
his own views about the case and seems to link to source documents
when he can, which is great. I got the links I pasted in above from
his site. Personally, I suspect this is unimportant, I would be
surprised if Samsung's patent was upheld, if Apple were found to have
infringed it and, even if those two astonishing things come to pass,
if Samsung and Apple don't work something out as a licensing
arrangement. Remember that this is all part of a much larger situation
which is worldwide and which is about many other patents/issues.
Aman
On 2/23/13, Robert Fenton <robert.fen...@samobile.net> wrote:
The article that was quoted here was originally published by the BBC.
However, several of the financial and technology publications have also
picked this up. There's no question that the thoughts behind the article
are
legitimate.
Bob Fenton
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-02-23, at 12:51 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I do not know. I received the message from another list. I'm sure if you
do a google search, you will be able to find the publication.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 24/02/2013, at 2:30, Craig Werner <coffeeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
David, what is the source of this article? For whom does Leo Kelion
write?
Craig
On 2/23/13, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung
Reply-To: Blind Democracy Discussion List
<blind-democr...@octothorp.org>
Even if Samsung does not succeed in their action, the very fact
they've
even tried it guarantees I will never buy a Samsung product.
And to think Samsung was instrumental in establishing the guide dog
school
in Korea.
Unconscionable.
Alice
Samsun g struggles to block iPhone function for the blindBy Leo
Kelion
Technology reporter
The VoiceOver function is designed to help
blind and partially sighted consumers use the
iPhone Samsung has suffered a setback in its
effort to win an iPhone ban based on a function
making its software accessible to blind people.
The South Korean firm had sought an injunction in
a German court arguing Apple's VoiceOver
screen-access facility infringed one of its patents.
However, the judge has ordered the case to be
suspended pending another ruling that could invalidate Samsung's
claim.
Disability campaigners had expressed concern about the case.
Apple's VoiceOver function is used by blind and
partially-sighted people to hear a description of
what the iPhone is showing by touching its screen.
The software covers text and icons including
audio descriptions of the battery level and
network signal. It also allows the phones to be
operated via Braille-based add-ons.
Samsung had argued that Apple had failed to
licence a patent it owned which describes
pressing a button to make a handset describe its
display. The basis for this was that VoiceOver
could be switched on by triple-clicking the iPhone's home button.
Apple declined to comment.
A statement from Samsung said: "For decades, we
have heavily invested in pioneering the
development of technological innovations in the
mobile industry, which have been constantly reflected in our
products.
"We continue to believe that Apple has infringed
our patented mobile technologies, and we will
continue to take the measures necessary to
protect our intellectual property rights."
'Regrettable in the extreme'
Patent consultant Florian Muller, who was first
to report the Mannheim Court's decision, questioned Samsung's
tactics.
"If Samsung had only requested monetary
compensation in this action, it would have made a
much better choice than by trying to achieve,
through the pursuit of an injunction, the
deactivation or (more realistically) degradation
of the voiceover functionality Apple provides to
its German customers," he wrote on his blog.
The British Computer Association of the Blind
said it was worried such an important feature might be threatened.
"A lack of access to information is arguably the
biggest potential barrier to inclusion in society
for blind and partially-sighted people," a spokesman told the BBC.
"If something as important as access to telephone
technology had been blocked by the actions of one
company over another the consequences for blind
people everywhere would be regrettable in the extreme."
The Wall Street Journal's AllThingsD tech site was more damning.
"Leaving aside the ethics of asserting a patent
against a feature designed to help the blind,
this is unwise," wrote John Paczkowski.
"It's the PR equivalent of punching yourself in
the face. Samsung has now identified itself as a
company willing to accept the loss of
accessibility for the vision-impaired as
collateral damage in its battle with Apple."
Apple and Samsung have fought a number of patent
cases against each other in courts across the world.
The biggest award involved a US jury ordering
Samsung to pay Apple $1.05bn (£688m) in damages.
The judge in the case later rejected Apple's call
for the sum to be increased and a sales ban on some Samsung handsets.
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