Good points, Neal. My reasoning for never brushing off a question, or an ask for an assist, is I do know that some people just aren't comfortable with technology enough to try to solve their own issues. I know several such people, and though for me I don't quite understand why they always want some one else to help them rather then do it themselves, it's not my place to judge. I had to set up airline reservations for a friend whose going away next week to guide dog school. Do I wish she'd learn to do this herself, yes I do. But I know she won't. And she needed this done. So I did it quickly for her, because she had to have it done and it wasn't worth arguing with her about the fact she should learn to do it herself. I know some one else who has an Ipad andI know without a doubt she'll never learn to use it, but she has one. Not my business. So I guess what I am saying is I try to follow the golden rule, treat some one like I'd like to be treated. And if I'm not comfortable doing the online research and would rather have a human help me out, then I have that right to ask for that help. Patti
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: What do they do??? Another thought. Were I just beginning with computers or smart phones, I may not know enough to know what I don't know or where to look for it. So, I will assume that when people ask questions that I think they can find on their own, that this is the case. Now, people will sometimes take advantage of this and ask because it's just easier. But I can't tell which is which. So, I will try to respect the fact that people who ask simple questions are people who don't quite know enough to know where to look at this point. I may be fooled more than once, but I have helped more than I have hindered. And here is another thought. I think many would agree that it is often more educational to ask someone who knows than to spend hours searching the internet and reading reviews and other pages that may well have conflicting data. So, even if I think someone should be able to find the answer on their own, I will have to assume that they are asking for human input rather than whatever input they may get on line. Having said that, I still think giving people alternatives for where to look for things in addition to helping them is a good idea. But I hope I can always be open to helping no matter how silly I think the request, because to them, it is not silly at all. Also, remember that there are people on this list whose first language is not English. They may not be as precise at asking questions as some, and they may not be as good as others in perusing the web for their answers. So, someone please take me to task if I am ever insulting to a question asker. I may be brief, because I don't have a lot of time. Today I do and the number of messages I have written to this list is much larger than most days, but many of us are quite busy. However, that is no excuse for being dismissive of a persons quest to learn. Neal -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Olver Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What do they do??? Debby, it's not about asking questions. It's about doing something or not doing something that one could do themselves. Let's say you want to take off your shoe, and it is tied, well, you of course untie the shoe, right? Well if you want to find out about an app, maybe you are going to buy it, or if it is free, just put it on your phone, you search for it in the app store, don't you? Well, I saw two successive messages on two different apps which asked the question, what does it do, when they could have just as easily looked to see for themselves. I certainly don't mind answering questions about apps either, however the obvious causes me frustration, you wouldn't ask me to untie your shoe, you would untie it yourself. If a person can untie their shoe than they ought to be able to search for an app. Like last week, I had forgotten how to delete an app from my phone, something I hadn't done in about six months, what did I do? I didn't ask the list, which I guess I could have, I looked up the information in the book entitled Getting started with the iPhone. It helped refresh my memory as to what to do regarding other things and I was indeed able to find the information on my own, and I didn't clutter up the list with a question when I could easily find the information on my own. I don't say, don't ask, I say don't ask if you have the information at your fingertips. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Worstman" <debsphil...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: RE: What do they do??? >I just want to say that I do not post to the list often, but I have >gotten some very good information from reading please don't let this >make you fearful of asking questions. > If asking questions makes the difference in someone either using there >iDevice or giving up on it then please ask away. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Simon Wong > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: What do they do??? > > I am new to this phone, I can I not ask questions? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-04-11, at 10:44 AM, "Fred Olver" <goodfo...@charter.net> wrote: > >> Maybe they come to you because that way they don't have to do it > themselves. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Johnson" >> <pat1...@insightbb.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:05 AM >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> >>> I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on >>> their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they >>> are afraid of doing something wrong. >>> I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just >>> think those that ask should be respected and answered even if we >>> ourselves wish they would do their own work. >>> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be >>> able to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need >>> help they come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to >>> learn this on their own but if they won't because they are fearful >>> of making a mistake, then I have to help them. >>> Patti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list? >>> Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have >>> we all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we >>> must bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out >>> for > ourselves? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patti Johnson" <pat1...@insightbb.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> >>>> I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing >>>> to this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all >>>> the time then what's the point of the list? >>>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many >>>> times the question is asked. >>>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't. >>>> Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on >>>> any email list, because we don't know where the person writing in >>>> is coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't >>>> want to answer that person on list write to them privately, which >>>> would take away from the high traffic. >>>> Patti >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating >>>> that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have >>>> the information at their fingertips to find the information >>>> themselves rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as >>>> a result of two messages in a row which asked the question of two >>>> different app's, what does it do. >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> ----- Original Message. In this case, there were two mesages in a >>>> row that asked the same question, "What does it do ----- >>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and >>>>> condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I >>>>> doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience >>>>> to read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I >>>>> also wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a >>>>> message as opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone >>>>> asks a question you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one >>>>> liners like "What does >>>> this app do?" or "How much does it cost?" >>>>> to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as >>>>> the moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such >>>>> behavior, I don't think it's going to change human behavior much, >>>>> and I think it's best left to Raul and the moderators. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Will for bringing me a chuckle this morning. I get so >>>>>> tired of folks asking what does it do when they could so easily >>>>>> find out the information for themselves. >>>>>> Maybe my little piece will cause them to think before postting to >>>>>> the list. >>>>>> Fred >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* Wil James <mailto:w...@wilanddenise.com> >>>>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:07 AM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: What do they do??? >>>>>> >>>>>> You forgot the other burning question. How much does it cost? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S >>>>>> ---------- >>>>>> E-mail or iMessage: w...@wilanddenise.com >>>>>> <mailto:w...@wilanddenise.com> >>>>>> Twitter: wiljames >>>>>> zellow: wilcjames >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Fred Olver" <goodfo...@charter.net >>>>>> <mailto:goodfo...@charter.net>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Inquiring minds want to know, what does it do? What does it >>>>>>> do???? >>>>>>> What does it do??? The answer is simple, in fact it is so simple >>>>>>> it's a wonder you didn't think of it yourself??? Unlike the >>>>>>> I-devices, there is a simple yet often-overlooked task which will >>>>>>> easily bring you the information you crave. >>>>>>> What is it you say, I can't wait, please, please, tell me. >>>>>>> Why it's as simple as typing the name of the app in to the space >>>>>>> marked, very clearly "SEARCH" I repeat "SEARCH", easily found >>>>>>> Where??? Ah, yet another question and yet one which answer is not >>>>>>> the commonly used phrase, "Over there", why it is, are you ready >>>>>>> for this, are you sure you are ready? It is after all your >>>>>>> waiting >>>>>>> to find an answer which has iluded mankind for hmmm maybe 20 >>>>>>> seconds or so, of course, in the app store. See that wasn't so >>>>>>> difficult, now, here are the directions. Merely double-tap on the >>>>>>> "app store" Icon on your i-Device, wait for it to open and then, >>>>>>> then, look down at the bottom of the page which you will come to. >>>>>>> There are five buttons labeled from left to right: "Featured", >>>>>>> "top Charts" "genius" "search" and last but not least "updates". >>>>>>> Now, all you have to do after tapping the "search" item, a new >>>>>>> screen will appear in which you will be presented with an >>>>>>> on-screen keyboard, or, you can use an external keyboard, either >>>>>>> Braille or standard to gain the information you so badly crave. >>>>>>> Then all you need do is enter the necessary information field >>>>>>> using voice, keyboard bluetooth or keyboard on the phone and tap >>>>>>> "search" and voila, the information appears. This feature can be >>>>>>> used to find hidden apps like tap tap see, four square, or >>>>>>> perhapse you want to look up 4square. Words like radio or music >>>>>>> can present you with literally hundreds of functional >>>>>>> applications. Perhapse you long for apps which might be of >>>>>>> use to >>>>>>> you tomorrow, Saturday, or maybe even next week. >>>>>>> Be sure to keep this document in case you forget what to do, lets >>>>>>> again, refresh, >>>>>>> 1. Find app store on your i-device >>>>>>> 2. Double tap to open this item. >>>>>>> 3. find the WORD "SEARCH" near the bottom of the screen, >>>>>>> double-tap on it at which point you will be presented with an >>>>>>> on-screen keyboard or you can use an external one if you wish, >>>>>>> 4. Type the name of what you are looking for or something like >>>>>>> rpg's or text adventures or cooking or games >>>>>>> 5. Again, double-tap the "search" button by using a keyboard to >>>>>>> input your information your choice and off you go. >>>>>>> I hope this has been helpful, compared to making use of some of >>>>>>> the apps available for the iPhone this is truly a very easy task >>>>>>> to accomplish. >>>>>>> If you still do not feel you understand this task, let me >>>>>>> know and >>>>>>> I will indeed be glad to put together a podcast and if enough of >>>>>>> you ask me too, I'll see about putting it up on "applevis", what >>>>>>> is that, you ask, well, that's for another night. but that's >>>>>>> another message. >>>>>>> Later folks. >>>>>>> Happy searching. >>>>>>> Fred Olver >>>>>>> Thanks to Ester and Jonathon for all of your previous posts >>>>>>> teaching all of us what we need to know, I only hope I have come >>>>>>> close in presenting the necessary information for those who are >>>>>>> having difficulty accomplishing this task. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> "VIPhone" Google Group. >>>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - 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