Hi Mary, Creating a desire for new products is nothing new, it's been done by tooth brush makers and Pampers to vehicle makers and technology companies for the last 20 years. It's up to the consumer if he or he thinks they need that new product or not.
Regards, Sieghard to vehicle manufacturers to -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. I also think that the cycle of update is more dependent on profit than it is on actual need. They create markets for things that nobody really needs. Instead of fixing bugs and making things more stable, they create a market for something and try to make you wanted. It's absurd. But such is life in the 21st-century where looks are more important than fact on the ground. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > I think there's something to what you say, but if you follow some of these applications and apps in the mainstream press and blogosphere, you'll find that sighted people can be pretty demanding as well. > > I don't think the problem is that developers have us trained like this. I think it's more that accessibility does add another layer of complexity. There's also a fuzzy line between inaccessible, usable and so on. What may be a bug or a point of inaccessibility to one person may just be a different way of getting something done to another. > > On 09/28/2013 04:14 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: >> I think that developers in the information tech realm have conditioned >> us to accept things that would not be acceptable in other arenas. If you >> bought a new car, and there were problems, that car would be considered >> a lemon, and you would even have some legal recourse, but tech users >> have been conditioned to just put up with it. >> Andy >> *From:* Cara Quinn <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 28, 2013 8:59 AM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7. >> Hi There, >> you say, in regard to bugs, "on any device. Our job is to find them and >> report them to Apple Accessibility right away." >> >> Actually it's not. People who are not beta testers do not deserve to be >> treated as such. >> >> this trend toward effectively making the general user population into >> free beta testers is at best, lazy and disgraceful and disrespectful. >> >> Make no mistake, this is not an Apple issue per se, but a more >> generalized software paradigm that I find absolutely abhorrent >> Unfortunately, the general public either does not know ways they can >> change this or cannot escape the need or technology addiction to send a >> message that this is not acceptable to them. >> >> So for us, no, this is not our job. However, I think you meant something >> a bit differently from the way I took it. :) Since we are users of this >> software, yes, we should take every opportunity to make our voices heard >> and voice clearly and positively what we need and / or want. >> >> I say positively, because having our voices heard is not only a right >> but a privilege. So be civil, make it count, and treat people with >> respect. Apple has gone out of their way to make giving feedback easy >> and available to us so use it and thank the people you come into contact >> with. >> >> I think they'll be glad you did and it will surely make them happy to >> pass your needs and desires along to the right folks. >> >> Just my three cents. :) >> >> Smiles and happy weekend to y'all, >> >> Cara :) >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:07 AM, BBS <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> on any device. 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