If I have the music player on while my phone is locked I rather have access to the player functions than hear the time anyway. For this reason I don't consider it broken. Hopefully Apple comes up with 7.1 soon so that we can stop listening to people complaining all the time. Although I'm sure they'll find something else to start complaining about.
On 11/11/13, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Change for the sake of it? With respect, it sounds like common sense to me. > Voiceover always read the first item on the screen below the status bar. > When on the lock screen, this is usually the time. This is why we hear the > time read when we wake our devices. Now, in IOS 7, when listening to audio, > the transport controls are automatically shown as the first items on the > screen. So naturally, Voiceover reads that first when waking your device. > Voiceover is doing what it has always done since IOS 3.0. The difference is > what is displayed on the screen. I don’t see what engineers have to do with > it. Since the time is shown in the status bar, why would any sighted person > be so redundant as to show the time again underneath when your listening to > audio. Like David said, I’m sure people wrote Apple saying when I’m > listening to audio, can you have the transport and now playing information > automatically displayed instead of me needing to press the home button twice > to bring it up? Apple then looked at this request and said yes. This does > indeed make sense. Since since it is an improvement for 99.9% of our user > base, and only a 00.1% mild inconvenience for Voiceover users, who just need > to touch the status bar when listening to audio, this looks like a decent > enough trade off. > > I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I mean, how many toggles > and settings can you cram into an OS or app? After a while, you just have > to put your foot down and say enough is enough. This setting adds an extra > layer of convenience to the majority of users, and doesn’t break > accessibility. It’s not like the clock completely disappears from the > screen after all. > > JMO. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:28 AM, RobH. <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Agreed, pity this couldn't be turned off and something else turned on. >> Makes you wonder what the development engineers are thinking of when they >> >> change these things, apparently for the sake of it. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 AM >> Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? >> >> >> Well, apple accessibility has a different opinion than you. They >> recognize >> that it should read the time. The people normally look the time more >> often >> than when they want to know the track position. Sorry again man. But >> apple >> responded to me, that they are going to fix it, and they are apologized >> about it. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:58 PM >> Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? >> >> >> Pablo, >> >> VO announcing the track position rather than the time is a new feature, >> not >> a bug. When an audio track is playing, the lock screen now displays the >> audio player screen rather than the normal unlock screen. If you would >> rather the normal unlock screen was displayed, send an email to Apple >> about >> it. However, this is not a bug! In fact, I am willing to bet that many >> people sent Apple complaints because the audio player did not >> automatically >> come up when they first opened the lock screen. If that is the case, I >> seriously doubt your message will cause Apple to change back to the >> previous >> system. After all, how often do the majority of users activate the lock >> screen to manipulate their audio playback compared with how many do so to >> check the time. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sieghard, what are you talking about? >>> So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is >>> abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? >>> For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't >>> a >>> problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not >>> every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not >>> enough >>> people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the >>> list, >>> several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? >>> No, it didn't. >>> Now VO says after the screen is locked, "Screen locked"and seconds or >>> minutes later, VO repeats the message. >>> It happened before? >>> No, it didn't. >>> When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to >>> finish >>> the phone call? >>> No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of >>> people >>> saying the same thing. It happened before? >>> No, it didn't. >>> Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. >>> If >>> you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that >>> you >>> don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? >>> No, it didn't. >>> Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of >>> content, >>> voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of >>> content again to find where we were before VO jump out. >>> it happened before? >>> No, it didn't. >>> Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of >>> media, >>> and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO >>> said >>> the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before? >>> No, it didn't. >>> I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence >>> for seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, >>> guessing >>> pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the >>> screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What >>> is >>> happening? >>> No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty >>> similar problems. it happened before? >>> No, it didn't! >>> How many, "no, It didn't", you want Sieghard? >>> . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have >>> to >>> break things that were working well before? >>> In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I >>> am >>> talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that >>> are >>> not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is >>> not voice over user is getting? >>> I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better >>> product >>> right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done >>> before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, >>> apple is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking >>> about >>> hardware, I am talking about IOs developers. >>> In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke >>> things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in >>> November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be >>> talking >>> about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are >>> getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even >>> though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never >>> we will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have >>> to >>> restart the hard process of report bugs, bugs that some will be fix, but >>> other never will be fix. >>> So Sieghard. In my opinion again. Apple makes great phones, but I can >>> not >>> say the same thing of the last IOs that I have seen. Remember Sieghard. >>> I >>> am very interested in a iPhone or an iPad working well. I am the owner >>> of >>> those devices. The difference is that I want that apple makes a better >>> effort developing operated system. Our pressure to apple will be good >>> for >>> us, and for apple also. When you make pressure on somebody, you make >>> that >>> person stronger. When you make pressure on apple to fix these silly >>> things >>> that before didn't work bad, but now are not working well, it will make >>> apple stronger. not Sangsum, not Sony, not Panasonic. Apple needs to do >>> a >>> best effort with this issue. It is for apple, more than for us. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:13 PM >>> Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Here is my summary of this entire thread: >>>> >>>> The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: >>>> >>>> 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable >>>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it >>>> or >>>> save it to contacts >>>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>>> >>>> Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple >>>> is >>>> in >>>> general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which >>>> don't >>>> work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally >>>> accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a >>>> number of ways. >>>> >>>> As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very >>>> general >>>> way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a >>>> new >>>> iOS >>>> to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but >>>> he >>>> argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. >>>> However, >>>> this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to >>>> upgrade >>>> to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on >>>> your >>>> phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who >>>> says >>>> that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing >>>> anything >>>> or >>>> twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not >>>> happen. >>>> If >>>> Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic >>>> downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way >>>> because >>>> at >>>> that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already >>>> their >>>> choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need >>>> to >>>> free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of >>>> pressure >>>> there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for >>>> getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone. >>>> >>>> Now, as to the 4 items above: >>>> >>>> 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable >>>> I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that >>>> is >>>> just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works >>>> at >>>> least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since >>>> iOS >>>> 7 >>>> was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or >>>> mentioned >>>> a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up. >>>> There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and >>>> that >>>> is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as >>>> it's >>>> right there about the ome Key and to double tap it. >>>> As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was >>>> hung >>>> up or is still connected. >>>> >>>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it >>>> or >>>> save it to contacts >>>> This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for >>>> them. >>>> A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call >>>> it, >>>> a >>>> double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. >>>> I'd >>>> really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think >>>> was >>>> the one who posted that all of this didn't work. >>>> >>>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>>> This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since >>>> I >>>> don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google >>>> searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on >>>> the >>>> Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find >>>> this >>>> so >>>> horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If >>>> I >>>> talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the >>>> government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More >>>> than >>>> once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell >>>> them >>>> that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate >>>> in >>>> electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not >>>> saying >>>> Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters >>>> problems, >>>> but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also >>>> takes >>>> the >>>> time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make >>>> sure >>>> they know about the issues. >>>> >>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>>> Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for >>>> some >>>> time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the >>>> iPhone >>>> can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's >>>> of >>>> course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half >>>> the >>>> features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows >>>> Smartphone >>>> with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps >>>> were >>>> almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone >>>> because >>>> I >>>> had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed. >>>> >>>> Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years >>>> than >>>> all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are >>>> complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an >>>> expensive >>>> phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and >>>> everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible >>>> for >>>> them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most >>>> successful >>>> tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why >>>> not >>>> by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. 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