Well, consider that this specific problem started when Apple added the app switcher and the ability for more than one app to run at a time on the iPhone. So yes, the ability to automatically restart VO when memory overloads is a key feature improvement. It did not usually happen on Windows back when I was using Windows with Jaws. Considering this was in 2011, I do not know how things have changed since that time.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Nov 2013, at 16:08, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: > > wow, very convenient when we are using the gps, or when we are writing an > email, or looking a phone number. Very nice. Now I have a better opinion of > apple hardware. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? > > > Pablo, > > The occasional occurrences of VO suddenly becoming silent for a little while > appears to be iOS resetting its memory. In most cases, if you wait 15 to 30 > seconds, VO comes back on and says Voice Over Ready. This means, VO had to be > restarted. I remember when iOS 6 came out and VO would sometimes crash. Apple > has improved the system now such that, when VO crashes, for what ever reason, > it automatically restarts if you leave the system alone for a little while. > > Why is leaving the system alone so important? A sighted friend explained it > to me. In iOS hierarchy, touching the screen takes precedence over almost > every other task. Therefore, when you start touching and moving your finger > around the nonresponsive screen, this distracts iOS and may block VO from > restarting; thereby necessitating rebooting your iPhone. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sieghard, what are you talking about? >> So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing >> when they decrees the quality of a product? >> For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a >> problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every >> body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people >> getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several >> times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? >> No, it didn't. >> Now VO says after the screen is locked, "Screen locked"and seconds or >> minutes later, VO repeats the message. >> It happened before? >> No, it didn't. >> When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish >> the phone call? >> No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people >> saying the same thing. It happened before? >> No, it didn't. >> Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If >> you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you >> don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? >> No, it didn't. >> Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, >> voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of content >> again to find where we were before VO jump out. >> it happened before? >> No, it didn't. >> Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media, >> and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said >> the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before? >> No, it didn't. >> I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence for >> seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing >> pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the >> screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is >> happening? >> No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty >> similar problems. it happened before? >> No, it didn't! >> How many, "no, It didn't", you want Sieghard? >> . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to >> break things that were working well before? >> In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am >> talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are >> not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is not >> voice over user is getting? >> I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product >> right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done >> before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, apple >> is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about >> hardware, I am talking about IOs developers. >> In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke >> things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in >> November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking >> about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are >> getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even >> though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never we >> will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have to >> restart the hard process of report bugs, bugs that some will be fix, but >> other never will be fix. >> So Sieghard. In my opinion again. Apple makes great phones, but I can not >> say the same thing of the last IOs that I have seen. Remember Sieghard. I am >> very interested in a iPhone or an iPad working well. I am the owner of those >> devices. The difference is that I want that apple makes a better effort >> developing operated system. Our pressure to apple will be good for us, and >> for apple also. When you make pressure on somebody, you make that person >> stronger. When you make pressure on apple to fix these silly things that >> before didn't work bad, but now are not working well, it will make apple >> stronger. not Sangsum, not Sony, not Panasonic. Apple needs to do a best >> effort with this issue. It is for apple, more than for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:13 PM >> Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Here is my summary of this entire thread: >>> >>> The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: >>> >>> 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable >>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or >>> save it to contacts >>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>> >>> Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in >>> general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't >>> work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally >>> accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a >>> number of ways. >>> >>> As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very general >>> way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new iOS >>> to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he >>> argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. However, >>> this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to upgrade >>> to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your >>> phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who says >>> that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything or >>> twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. If >>> Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic >>> downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because at >>> that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already their >>> choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to >>> free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of pressure >>> there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for >>> getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone. >>> >>> Now, as to the 4 items above: >>> >>> 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable >>> I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is >>> just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at >>> least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS 7 >>> was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or mentioned >>> a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up. >>> There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and that >>> is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's >>> right there about the ome Key and to double tap it. >>> As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was hung >>> up or is still connected. >>> >>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or >>> save it to contacts >>> This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for them. >>> A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it, a >>> double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. I'd >>> really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think was >>> the one who posted that all of this didn't work. >>> >>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. >>> This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I >>> don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google >>> searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the >>> Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this so >>> horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I >>> talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the >>> government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More than >>> once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them >>> that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in >>> electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not saying >>> Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters problems, >>> but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes the >>> time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make sure >>> they know about the issues. >>> >>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. >>> Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for some >>> time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the iPhone >>> can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's of >>> course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the >>> features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows Smartphone >>> with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps were >>> almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone because I >>> had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed. >>> >>> Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years than >>> all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are >>> complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an expensive >>> phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and >>> everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible for >>> them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful >>> tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why not >>> by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. I also >>> don't think this attitude will motivate Apple do do better. Constructive and >>> detailed reporting of bugs, maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error >>> bugs and well thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually make >>> things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling their thumbs >>> but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and issues. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> >>> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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