Hmm, you know I was wondering about that. Vo going silent all of a sudden. I 
never restarted my phone just sat there cursing it until it decided to talk 
again. 

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:13 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pablo,
> 
> The occasional occurrences of VO suddenly becoming silent for a little while 
> appears to be iOS resetting its memory. In most cases, if you wait 15 to 30 
> seconds, VO comes back on and says Voice Over Ready. This means, VO had to be 
> restarted. I remember when iOS 6 came out and VO would sometimes crash. Apple 
> has improved the system now such that, when VO crashes, for what ever reason, 
> it automatically restarts if you leave the system alone for a little while.
> 
> Why is leaving the system alone so important? A sighted friend explained it 
> to me. In iOS hierarchy, touching the screen takes precedence over almost 
> every other task. Therefore, when you start touching and moving your finger 
> around the nonresponsive screen, this distracts iOS and may block VO from 
> restarting; thereby necessitating rebooting your iPhone.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sieghard, what are you talking about?
>> So for you is not fir that I  complain when I feel that somebody is abusing 
>> when they decrees the quality of a product?
>> For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a 
>> problem, in IOs 6  either, but now in IOs 7  is very difficult. If not every 
>> body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people 
>> getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several 
>> times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs?
>> No, it didn't.
>> Now VO says after the screen is locked, "Screen locked"and seconds or 
>> minutes later, VO repeats the message.
>> It happened before?
>> No, it didn't.
>> When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish 
>> the phone call?
>> No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people 
>> saying the same thing. It happened before?
>> No, it didn't.
>> Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If 
>> you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you 
>> don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before?
>> No, it didn't.
>> Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, 
>> voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of content 
>> again to find where we were before VO jump out.
>> it happened before?
>> No, it didn't.
>> Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media, 
>> and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said 
>> the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before?
>> No, it didn't.
>> I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence for 
>> seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing 
>> pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the 
>> screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is 
>> happening?
>> No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty 
>> similar problems. it happened before?
>> No, it didn't!
>> How many, "no, It didn't", you want Sieghard?
>> . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to 
>> break things that were working well before?
>> In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am 
>> talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are 
>> not in this email. But add to this list the problems  that people who is not 
>> voice over user is getting?
>> I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product 
>> right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done 
>> before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, apple 
>> is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about 
>> hardware, I am talking about IOs developers.
>> In the last 2  versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke 
>> things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in 
>> November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking 
>> about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are 
>> getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even 
>> though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never we 
>> will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have to 
>> restart the hard process of report bugs, bugs that some will be fix, but 
>> other never will be fix.
>> So Sieghard. In my opinion again. Apple makes great phones, but I can not 
>> say the same thing of the last IOs that I have seen. Remember Sieghard. I am 
>> very interested in a iPhone or an iPad working well. I am the owner of those 
>> devices. The difference is that I want that apple makes a better effort 
>> developing operated system. Our pressure to apple will be good for us, and 
>> for apple also. When you make pressure on somebody, you make that person 
>> stronger. When you make pressure on apple to fix these silly things that 
>> before didn't work bad, but now are not working well, it will make apple 
>> stronger. not Sangsum, not Sony, not Panasonic. Apple needs to do a best 
>> effort with this issue. It is for apple, more than for us.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:13 PM
>> Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Here is my summary of this entire thread:
>>> 
>>> The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth:
>>> 
>>> 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable
>>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or
>>> save it to contacts
>>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
>>> 
>>> Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in
>>> general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't
>>> work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally
>>> accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a
>>> number of ways.
>>> 
>>> As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very general
>>> way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new iOS
>>> to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he
>>> argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. However,
>>> this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to upgrade
>>> to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your
>>> phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who says
>>> that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything or
>>> twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. If
>>> Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic
>>> downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because at
>>> that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already their
>>> choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to
>>> free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of pressure
>>> there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for
>>> getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone.
>>> 
>>> Now, as to the 4 items above:
>>> 
>>> 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable
>>> I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is
>>> just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at
>>> least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS 7
>>> was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or mentioned
>>> a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up.
>>> There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and that
>>> is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's
>>> right there about the ome Key and to double tap it.
>>> As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was hung
>>> up or is still connected.
>>> 
>>> 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or
>>> save it to contacts
>>> This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for them.
>>> A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it, a
>>> double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. I'd
>>> really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think was
>>> the one who posted that all of this didn't work.
>>> 
>>> 3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
>>> This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I
>>> don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google
>>> searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the
>>> Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this so
>>> horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I
>>> talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the
>>> government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More than
>>> once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them
>>> that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in
>>> electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not saying
>>> Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters problems,
>>> but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes the
>>> time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make sure
>>> they know about the issues.
>>> 
>>> 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
>>> Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for some
>>> time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the iPhone
>>> can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's of
>>> course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the
>>> features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows Smartphone
>>> with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps were
>>> almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone because I
>>> had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed.
>>> 
>>> Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years than
>>> all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are
>>> complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an expensive
>>> phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and
>>> everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible for
>>> them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful
>>> tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why not
>>> by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. I also
>>> don't think this attitude will motivate Apple do do better. Constructive and
>>> detailed reporting of bugs, maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error
>>> bugs and well thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually make
>>> things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling their thumbs
>>> but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and issues.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
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