I've always wondered what the motivation was behind blind people questioning the legality of services like the Movie Vault from BlindMice and blindy.tv. Sure if it were obviously illegal, or the blind would face some retaliation from the movie industry or if the movie industry itself were actually being harmed, I could understand why blind people would bring this up, but other than that, I don't see why blind people would want to see a service that some people enjoy and take advantage of be declared illegal and cease to exist.

I'm not familiar with blindy.tv, but in the Movie Vault you have MP3 files containing movie sound tracks along with described video. I simply can't imagine sighted people taking advantage of this and stop going to theaters or buying DVD's or streaming movies from services like NetFlix. I'd also be shocked if there were that many blind people who are listening to these MP3's that would otherwise be buying, renting or streaming these movies, at least in numbers that would even register at all on a production company's bottom line. Like I said, I can't imagine these services are in any way negatively impacting the movie industry.

That being said, I'd be interested to hear from a lawyer who looked into this issue and could point out which laws are being violated and how the various laws allowing media to be altered to be accessible do not apply in these cases. I'm not sayhing blind people should run out and knowingly break the law by pirating music, videos or applications, but in issues where it isn't very clear at all, I don't see the point in this idle speculation.

On 02/02/2014 05:11 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Descriptions of *some* content over *some* transmission mediums is
indeed required, as I understand it. I think the question is about where
the source material comes from. For instance, some argue that the Movie
Vault on www.blindmicemegamall.com <http://www.blindmicemegamall.com> is
illegal because it offers downloads of audio-only described movies and
TV shows. Others argue that www.blindy.tv <http://www.blindy.tv> is
illegal because it re-transmits, though does not let you download,
described content and no one knows where that comes from.

This website does seem quite vague, i must admit. Is their material
sourced from movie and TV producers? Obtained legally some other way?
illegal? What exactly are their service plans? What do they offer for
content? Pricing? Availability? I'm intrigued, but it would be good to
have a lot more information first.

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On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Fred Olver <goodfo...@charter.net
<mailto:goodfo...@charter.net>> wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by legal issues. As far as I am aware,
descriptive is mandated by the Federal Communications Commission here
in the U.S.

Fred Olver
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Hi,

The website is extremely vague about every aspect of the service other
than what it does and even then, we only get a very basic overview. Do
you have any clues as to the legality of the service?

Cheers,
Ben.

On 2/2/14, Fred Olver <goodfo...@charter.net
<mailto:goodfo...@charter.net>> wrote:
Introducing TalkingFlix.

The first global Audio-Described On-Demand entertainment service for the
visually impaired is launching soon. We are excited to open TalkingFlix
for pre-launch signups. Early adopters will get exclusive perks: deals
on our subscription or premium movies and television shows, the option
of becoming a beta tester, and the chance to start earning credits for
referring friends. The sooner you sign up, the more referral credit you
can collect before our launch.

Below is my referral link. Users can receive credits that they can use
towards the service so that cash does not have to be spent - credits can
be used instead...

http://talkingflix.com/signup.php?ref=73848

Fred Olver

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