Hi

Afaik assistive touch requires one can see the screen.

I have looked some simple remote controller to simulate most often used keyboard commands - even though to make such beast with Raspberry but if i carry Raspberry with keypad what will i do with the iphone any more:-)

Someone has even build a mobile phone around the Pi but i'm not so desperate yet:-)

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 David Chittenden kirjoitti
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:29:01 +1200
From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com>

I would suggest looking into assistive touch. Given the situation, it would 
probably be a good idea to acquire the assistance of an Assistive Technology 
specialist who specialises in iOS and multiple disabilities.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 23:32, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote:

Hi

I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the home 
button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an     usually only lost the 
focused item and have to find it again with flicking.


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David Chittenden kirjoitti
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
For item 10, there are a few aids.

Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow or 
slowest.

Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen and 
command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a bluetooth 
switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's head movements 
for switch activation, and guided access which limits what a person can do on 
the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several options for low vision 
users, and options for users suffering from hearing loss.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote:

Hi

Comments about comments about comments:

1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option for that. 
A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You need a data plan 
for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the Internet. 
If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, he can buy an 
iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't require an additional 
monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer or device that accesses the 
Internet is usually going to require you to pay for some sort of access plan.
On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most  non-iphones works as a 
phone without a data plan.

2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, 
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can dial a 
phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that has real, 
physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command siri to call any 
number, such as saying "call 302 555-1212." That's hardly what I'd call 
inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen protectors from Speeddots containing 
tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad 
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard commands which 
let you control many other functions of the iPhone.

We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had to 
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial and 
after that the  tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit old-fashion:-)

Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push harder to 
press the button. Also each application will spread it's buttons around the 
screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile layer. Good 
business, i have to admit.

3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as compared to 
a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by Braille apps, of which 
there are now two. However, you should know that research has shown that, on 
average, a blind person entering data using the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is 
writing at about three words per minute. By contrast, users of the built-in 
Braille apps have been clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to compose 
a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, composing one is as 
quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can use your voice to place a 
call.

Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself.  If i have to dictate 
something i can call with same effort.

4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear coordination. 
People who want real buttons that they can operate silently by touch will be 
very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile 
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering the 
iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone demonstrates, with a 
properly designed user interface, that blind people can successfully operate a 
touchscreen.

But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.

5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it at 
least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n Speak 
could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, this is a 
non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my computer's USB port and 
when I get home I connect it to my computer for a few hours before going to 
bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not using that service, and turning your 
screen brightness down to zero percent will do a lot to save battery life. 
Besides, it's not exactly a major inconvenience to plug the thing into a 
computer or a wall outlet every night.

It depends if you have a computer or usb  connector near you. For example for a 
long bus or train journey if you like to follow your  location on gps there are 
not always a usb port to charge.  GPS is especially power hungry.

6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's Motorola Droid 
Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very comfortably in one hand. I 
mean, we're not talking about a device like an iPad or a Kindle 8.9 HDX.

Should i list here all the smaller phones i know?

7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than they want. It 
is not for someone who just wants a phone to make and receive calls.
response: true, but once blind people discover that the iPhone can act as their 
digital book player, restaurant menu reader, Web browser, email client, money 
identifier, barcode scanner, radio tuner, game player and object recognizer 
they might just want to use it for more than just making and receiving phone 
calls.

Are you sure about that? Any studies supporting that claim?

For me and you one device with many features would be good but i know there are 
people who don't want or like to study anything new.

Should pocket calculators also  be replaced with computers  because one can do 
more with them?


8. The iPhone is not cheap. Even with a two-year contract, the basic unit can 
cost $200. The full retail price of the iPhone is approximately $650.
I received my iPhone 5C, 32 GB version, for free if I agreed to sign a two-year 
contract with Verizon, which I was more than happy to do. Admittedly, that 
particular deal expired on March 31 of this year but I have heard that at least 
one other carrier was offering a similar deal. It is likely that consumers who 
do a bit of searching will be able to acquire an iPhone for a fraction of the 
actual cost if they are willing to sign a contract with the carrier.

If those phones are free could someone send few dozens here; i'll sell them for 
a good profit:-)

Frankly speaking  there is not such things as free lunch or free phone. You'll 
pay it way or another.

And the accessories: keyboards, overlays, covers, battery packs  etc are not  
free and cost on worst case the AT price.

9. First-time users of the iPhone have reported initial frustration with this 
powerful technology. It is not uncommon for these people to feel as if they 
want to throw the phone away during the first month. Answering calls and 
hanging up calls seem to be two particularly difficult problems for beginning 
iPhone users.
Response: does this mean we shouldn't recommend JAWS or NVDA to some consumers 
who are new to Windows because we can find a percentage of users who 
experienced frustration with their screen reader during the first few weeks or 
months of use. It is common for people to find a new piece of hardware or 
software frustrating or difficult to use when they're first learning how to use 
the product. Yes, using a product with a touchscreen is a very different way of 
interacting with a device and frustration can occur. This is true, by the way, 
with sighted consumers as well as blind consumers so this really is a very 
silly objection.

Yeah, there are other cases too when totally visual environment is brough to 
blind  users but i have rarely noticed that sighted would have problems with 
those environments because they are made to be used visually.

For some odd reason my sighted frieds never have similar issues when asked to 
do something with my iphone even they haven't used iphone earlier. Vice versa  
they are a bit confused what example 'rotor' means.

10. The iPhone requires a fair amount of dexterity and the ability to tap 
quickly. People who have motor issues or poor dexterity will likely not benefit 
from this technology.
Response: I don't believe this is correct. I'm no expert on this but I remember 
reading about how the iPhone can be adapted for consumers with difficulties 
with hand movement.

That article  would be interesting to read. For example i have difficulties to 
double-tap fast enough.


And one point: it is not always preferrable for a blind user to have  a phone 
one have  to keep exposed and handle with two hands.

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