In iOS 7, Apple set it up so one is able to run Assistive Touch and VoiceOver at the same time. The command structure changes somewhat.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Jun 2014, at 9:34, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote: > > Hi > > > Afaik assistive touch requires one can see the screen. > > I have looked some simple remote controller to simulate most often used > keyboard commands - even though to make such beast with Raspberry but if i > carry Raspberry with keypad what will i do with the iphone any more:-) > > Someone has even build a mobile phone around the Pi but i'm not so desperate > yet:-) > > 0 > -- mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS > Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 > hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 > 0C1F 6A76 DC9D DD58 3383 8B5D 0E76 9600 B784 D02 > > > David Chittenden kirjoitti >> Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone >> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:29:01 +1200 >> From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> I would suggest looking into assistive touch. Given the situation, it would >> probably be a good idea to acquire the assistance of an Assistive Technology >> specialist who specialises in iOS and multiple disabilities. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 5 Jun 2014, at 23:32, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I have looked those options but got no help so far. My issue is not the >>> home button but double tap i cannot make fast enough an usually only >>> lost the focused item and have to find it again with flicking. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mr. M01510 & guide Loadstone-GPS >>> Lat: 62.38718, lon: 25.64672 >>> hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net B784D020 >>> 0C1F 6A76 DC9D DD58 3383 8B5D 0E76 9600 B784 D02 >>> >>> >>> David Chittenden kirjoitti >>>> Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone >>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:14:57 +1200 >>>> From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> For item 10, there are a few aids. >>>> >>>> Go to settings, general, accessibility, home click speed, and select slow >>>> or slowest. >>>> >>>> Also in accessibility, one finds assistive touch which modifies the screen >>>> and command structure for limited dexterity, switch control for either a >>>> bluetooth switch, or using the front-facing camera to monitor a person's >>>> head movements for switch activation, and guided access which limits what >>>> a person can do on the iPhone / iOS device. One will also find several >>>> options for low vision users, and options for users suffering from hearing >>>> loss. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 5 Jun 2014, at 21:00, Ari Moisio <ar...@iki.fi> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> Comments about comments about comments: >>>>> >>>>>> 1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option >>>>>> for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You >>>>>> need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the >>>>>> Internet. >>>>>> Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the >>>>>> Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home, >>>>>> he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't >>>>>> require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer >>>>>> or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to >>>>>> pay for some sort of access plan. >>>>> On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most non-iphones works >>>>> as a phone without a data plan. >>>>> >>>>>> 2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone, >>>>>> particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can >>>>>> dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that >>>>>> has real, physical buttons. >>>>>> Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command >>>>>> siri to call any number, such as saying "call 302 555-1212." That's >>>>>> hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen >>>>>> protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays. >>>>>> Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad >>>>>> allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard >>>>>> commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had >>>>> to dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary >>>>> dial and after that the tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit >>>>> old-fashion:-) >>>>> >>>>> Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push >>>>> harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's >>>>> buttons around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own >>>>> tactile layer. Good business, i have to admit. >>>>> >>>>>> 3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as >>>>>> compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by >>>>>> Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that >>>>>> research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using >>>>>> the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per >>>>>> minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been >>>>>> clocked at around 23 words per minute. >>>>>> response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to >>>>>> compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages, >>>>>> composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can >>>>>> use your voice to place a call. >>>>> >>>>> Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself. If i have to dictate >>>>> something i can call with same effort. >>>>> >>>>>> 4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear >>>>>> coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate >>>>>> silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone. >>>>>> As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile >>>>>> overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering >>>>>> the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone >>>>>> demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people >>>>>> can successfully operate a touchscreen. >>>>> >>>>> But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed. >>>>> >>>>>> 5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it >>>>>> at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS. >>>>>> Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n >>>>>> Speak could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However, >>>>>> this is a non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my >>>>>> computer's USB port and when I get home I connect it to my computer for >>>>>> a few hours before going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not >>>>>> using that service, and turning your screen brightness down to zero >>>>>> percent will do a lot to save battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a >>>>>> major inconvenience to plug the thing into a computer or a wall outlet >>>>>> every night. >>>>> >>>>> It depends if you have a computer or usb connector near you. For example >>>>> for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your location on >>>>> gps there are not always a usb port to charge. GPS is especially power >>>>> hungry. >>>>> >>>>>> 6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones. >>>>>> response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's >>>>>> Motorola Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very >>>>>> comfortably in one hand. I mean, we're not talking about a device like >>>>>> an iPad or a Kindle 8.9 HDX. >>>>> >>>>> Should i list here all the smaller phones i know? >>>>> >>>>>> 7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than they >>>>>> want. It is not for someone who just wants a phone to make and receive >>>>>> calls. >>>>>> response: true, but once blind people discover that the iPhone can act >>>>>> as their digital book player, restaurant menu reader, Web browser, email >>>>>> client, money identifier, barcode scanner, radio tuner, game player and >>>>>> object recognizer they might just want to use it for more than just >>>>>> making and receiving phone calls. >>>>> >>>>> Are you sure about that? Any studies supporting that claim? >>>>> >>>>> For me and you one device with many features would be good but i know >>>>> there are people who don't want or like to study anything new. >>>>> >>>>> Should pocket calculators also be replaced with computers because one >>>>> can do more with them? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 8. The iPhone is not cheap. Even with a two-year contract, the basic >>>>>> unit can cost $200. The full retail price of the iPhone is approximately >>>>>> $650. >>>>>> I received my iPhone 5C, 32 GB version, for free if I agreed to sign a >>>>>> two-year contract with Verizon, which I was more than happy to do. >>>>>> Admittedly, that particular deal expired on March 31 of this year but I >>>>>> have heard that at least one other carrier was offering a similar deal. >>>>>> It is likely that consumers who do a bit of searching will be able to >>>>>> acquire an iPhone for a fraction of the actual cost if they are willing >>>>>> to sign a contract with the carrier. >>>>> >>>>> If those phones are free could someone send few dozens here; i'll sell >>>>> them for a good profit:-) >>>>> >>>>> Frankly speaking there is not such things as free lunch or free phone. >>>>> You'll pay it way or another. >>>>> >>>>> And the accessories: keyboards, overlays, covers, battery packs etc are >>>>> not free and cost on worst case the AT price. >>>>> >>>>>> 9. First-time users of the iPhone have reported initial frustration with >>>>>> this powerful technology. It is not uncommon for these people to feel as >>>>>> if they want to throw the phone away during the first month. Answering >>>>>> calls and hanging up calls seem to be two particularly difficult >>>>>> problems for beginning iPhone users. >>>>>> Response: does this mean we shouldn't recommend JAWS or NVDA to some >>>>>> consumers who are new to Windows because we can find a percentage of >>>>>> users who experienced frustration with their screen reader during the >>>>>> first few weeks or months of use. It is common for people to find a new >>>>>> piece of hardware or software frustrating or difficult to use when >>>>>> they're first learning how to use the product. Yes, using a product with >>>>>> a touchscreen is a very different way of interacting with a device and >>>>>> frustration can occur. This is true, by the way, with sighted consumers >>>>>> as well as blind consumers so this really is a very silly objection. >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, there are other cases too when totally visual environment is brough >>>>> to blind users but i have rarely noticed that sighted would have >>>>> problems with those environments because they are made to be used >>>>> visually. >>>>> >>>>> For some odd reason my sighted frieds never have similar issues when >>>>> asked to do something with my iphone even they haven't used iphone >>>>> earlier. Vice versa they are a bit confused what example 'rotor' means. >>>>> >>>>>> 10. The iPhone requires a fair amount of dexterity and the ability to >>>>>> tap quickly. People who have motor issues or poor dexterity will likely >>>>>> not benefit from this technology. >>>>>> Response: I don't believe this is correct. I'm no expert on this but I >>>>>> remember reading about how the iPhone can be adapted for consumers with >>>>>> difficulties with hand movement. >>>>> >>>>> That article would be interesting to read. For example i have >>>>> difficulties to double-tap fast enough. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And one point: it is not always preferrable for a blind user to have a >>>>> phone one have to keep exposed and handle with two hands. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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