Except that Mr. Chong isn't just another person. He is well known and
respected in the blindness tech arena and when he talks, people listen. It
is different than if you or I say something.
Andy
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From: Robert stigile
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
hello
many are forgetting that the article is from one persons perspective
if you dont like his article write your own
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:58 AM, "Alan Paganelli"
<alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> wrote:
And, some will buy one because everybody else and their sister has one and
they want one too. Then when they get it, they have no idea of what to do
with it. Their usually somewhat disappointed because of hearing all about
the miraculous things you can do with it. How those miracles occur is a
total mystery to them and many at first are more inclined to throw it up
against a wall somewhere. On the other hand, pretty much everybody sooner
or later figures enough about their phone to where they get to a point
that they think to themselves well, this just might be ok but still don't
see what the to do is all about. Others take to it like a duck to
water.The people you see on this list run from one end to the other of the
scale. Sooner or later, most all are glad in the end they bought an
iPhone. Few say screw it and go back to their Samsung Haven.
Regards,
Alan
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ridiculous - everyone
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There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
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my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Moisio" <ar...@iki.fi>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Hi
Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because its
Apple. Many blind will buy because they have heard it is accessible.
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Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 05:08:57 -0700
From: Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Well, I can't think of anyone who would buy an iPhone just because they
need a phone.
Andy
-----Original Message----- From: Ari Moisio
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:00 AM
To: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Hi
Comments about comments about comments:
1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the
Internet.
Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
pay for some sort of access plan.
On the other hand you cannot use ipad as a phone. Most non-iphones works
as a phone without a data plan.
2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
has real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
siri to call any number, such as saying "call 302 555-1212." That's
hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
We also had that kind on telephone services at early 70's where one had
to
dictate the telephone number to the operator. Then we got the rotary dial
and after that the tone dial. That's why i consider Siri a bit
old-fashion:-)
Even with different tactile screen protectors you cannot simply push
harder to press the button. Also each application will spread it's
buttons
around the screen so every application you'll use needs it's own tactile
layer. Good business, i have to admit.
3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
use your voice to place a call.
Keyboards are even bulkiert than the iphone itself. If i have to dictate
something i can call with same effort.
4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people
can successfully operate a touchscreen.
But people who prefer tactile buttons are still disappointed.
5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it
at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for the days when products like the Braille 'n
Speak could give us 30 hours of battery life from one charge. However,
this is a non-issue. During the day, I connect my iPhone to my
computer's USB port and when I get home I connect it to my computer for
a few hours before going to bed. Turning off Bluetooth, if you're not
using that service, and turning your screen brightness down to zero
percent will do a lot to save battery life. Besides, it's not exactly a
major inconvenience to plug the thing into a computer or a wall outlet
every night.
It depends if you have a computer or usb connector near you. For example
for a long bus or train journey if you like to follow your location on
gps there are not always a usb port to charge. GPS is especially power
hungry.
6. The iPhone is not small. It is bigger than a lot of flip phones.
response: are you serious? Really, are you kidding me? My wife's
Motorola Droid Ultra has a wider form factor. The iPhone fits very
comfortably in one hand. I mean, we're not talking about a device like
an iPad or a Kindle 8.9 HDX.
Should i list here all the smaller phones i know?
7. For a lot of people the iPhone is a lot more technology than they
want. It is not for someone who just wants a phone to make and receive
calls.
response: true, but once blind people discover that the iPhone can act
as their digital book player, restaurant menu reader, Web browser, email
client, money identifier, barcode scanner, radio tuner, game player and
object recognizer they might just want to use it for more than just
making and receiving phone calls.
Are you sure about that? Any studies supporting that claim?
For me and you one device with many features would be good but i know
there are people who don't want or like to study anything new.
Should pocket calculators also be replaced with computers because one
can do more with them?
8. The iPhone is not cheap. Even with a two-year contract, the basic
unit can cost $200. The full retail price of the iPhone is approximately
$650.
I received my iPhone 5C, 32 GB version, for free if I agreed to sign a
two-year contract with Verizon, which I was more than happy to do.
Admittedly, that particular deal expired on March 31 of this year but I
have heard that at least one other carrier was offering a similar deal.
It is likely that consumers who do a bit of searching will be able to
acquire an iPhone for a fraction of the actual cost if they are willing
to sign a contract with the carrier.
If those phones are free could someone send few dozens here; i'll sell
them for a good profit:-)
Frankly speaking there is not such things as free lunch or free phone.
You'll pay it way or another.
And the accessories: keyboards, overlays, covers, battery packs etc are
not free and cost on worst case the AT price.
9. First-time users of the iPhone have reported initial frustration with
this powerful technology. It is not uncommon for these people to feel as
if they want to throw the phone away during the first month. Answering
calls and hanging up calls seem to be two particularly difficult
problems for beginning iPhone users.
Response: does this mean we shouldn't recommend JAWS or NVDA to some
consumers who are new to Windows because we can find a percentage of
users who experienced frustration with their screen reader during the
first few weeks or months of use. It is common for people to find a new
piece of hardware or software frustrating or difficult to use when
they're first learning how to use the product. Yes, using a product with
a touchscreen is a very different way of interacting with a device and
frustration can occur. This is true, by the way, with sighted consumers
as well as blind consumers so this really is a very silly objection.
Yeah, there are other cases too when totally visual environment is brough
to blind users but i have rarely noticed that sighted would have
problems
with those environments because they are made to be used visually.
For some odd reason my sighted frieds never have similar issues when
asked
to do something with my iphone even they haven't used iphone earlier.
Vice
versa they are a bit confused what example 'rotor' means.
10. The iPhone requires a fair amount of dexterity and the ability to
tap quickly. People who have motor issues or poor dexterity will likely
not benefit from this technology.
Response: I don't believe this is correct. I'm no expert on this but I
remember reading about how the iPhone can be adapted for consumers with
difficulties with hand movement.
That article would be interesting to read. For example i have
difficulties to double-tap fast enough.
And one point: it is not always preferrable for a blind user to have a
phone one have to keep exposed and handle with two hands.
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