Hello Sieghard I second all you said I couldn't of said it better myself. I believe if anyone needs to advocate it is a good thing, but we should never take it to extremes because it never gets us good results as it may in a well controlled manner and keeping all possibilities in consideration. This list is made up of about 95 percent blind only members and some of those with some hearing loss, but like you say thanks to apple we do have voice over and along with voice over they also decided to add braille access with out having to do a separate application for this.
On Jun 17, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Todd, > > I understand where you are coming from and that the challenges you face are > different and in many ways tougher than those somebody has who is "just" > blind. However, this list is not or should not be a platform for political > issues and what I said has nothing to do with pride. However, the hard fact > of life is that blind people are a very small minority and deafblind people > are an even smaller minority. I think for the most part we should be > grateful to Apple for setting such a high bar for accessibility on one of > the most popular out of the box devices; this was unheard of until 2009 when > Apple included Voiceover as a standard feature in iOS. Yes, I know you don't > care about Voiceover, but remember that braille support which you do care > about is also part of Voiceover. > > Now, should we be grateful for what Apple did and not encourage them to > improve it? No, of course not, and part of the purpose of this list is to > help the members to be proficient with their iDevices so they can provide > objective feedback to Apple via the accessibil...@apple.com email address. > Where many companies require you to use some complicated web form to provide > such feedback, Apple has also made this extremely easy and I'm quite sure > these emails do get read, they are considered and categorized as well as > prioritized. > > I don't know if there is a specific list for deafblind iDevice users, but if > there is not maybe you should consider starting one since you appear to care > a lot about this. I don't, of course, want to imply that you have no place > on this list, far from it, but I think while there are quite a few people on > the list who do have some hearing loss, Voiceover users by far make up the > majority of this list and hence it is not surprising if the focus of the > discussions is on Voiceover. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of todd patkus > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID > > Sieghard, > > It is easy to say such. But you miss many points here. > > The point here is: we each have our right for something > accomplished. Yes, it is part of the civil rights act. > > I really care less about that Voiceover! So what!!!! > > That is completely useless to me! Apple should know better than > that, period! > > I feel very compelled to speak out for deafblind folks, not you > proud blind folks! > > Think twice. That is it. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com >> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:30:22 -0700 >> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID > >> Todd, > >> I don't think it's feasible for Apple to put in Settings to allow > for the >> smallest customization which a very small percentage of users > might want. I >> think most people want Voiceover to announce who is calling > without having >> to pick up the phone and fiddle around with it before they hear > the number. >> This would be like saying Apple should put in something for > sighted users so >> that the caller's number is only displayed when they touch the > screen. >> If the phone is across the room, if it is in my pocket or maybe I > have dirty >> or wet hands the call probably has gone to Voicemail by the time > I check the >> screen.If somebody doesn't want this announced because they are > in a meeting >> then they probably wouldn't want the phone to ring either and > it's an easy >> thing to flick the Mute switch which means the phone will not > ring and >> Voiceover won't say anything. > > >> Regards, >> Sieghard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf >> Of todd patkus >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:29 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID > >> Then, there should be a feature Apple should definitely enhance > in their >> iOS! > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:16:52 -0700 >>> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID > >>> No, there is not. > > > >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >> On Behalf Of Rami >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:07 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Announcing caller ID > > > > > >>> Hello > >>> Is there a way to stop voiceOver from announcing the caller ID >> automatically when receiving an incoming call? > >>> Thanks in advance. > >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the >> viphone list. 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