It rarely translates to real life. do you know how many inaccessible things 
there are in the world with no plans to make them accessible. The fact we can 
use iphones and macs at all is amazing to me. I can ask them to improve things, 
but IMO I don't have a "right" to everything I ask for. 

If you didn't have voiceover you would have no way to run your braille display, 
so if you care about that you should care about voiceover. 

why should they know better, because it is useless to you it is to everyone? 
their job isn't to make every single modification because you have a right to 
it. 

If you want to speak out why don't you try not deviding deaf/blind against 
blind. If you want something done wouldn't it be better to work with us, not to 
antagonize us by letting us know our products are useless to you so apple 
should know better? what, doesn't even make sense. without voiceover you would 
be without braille, period. 

Alia



On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:42 PM, todd patkus <tpat...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The point here is:  we each have our right for something accomplished.  Yes, 
> it is part of the civil rights act.
> 
> I really care less about that Voiceover!  So what!!!!
> 
> That is completely useless to me!  Apple should know better than that, period!
> 
> I feel very compelled to speak out for deafblind folks, not you proud blind 
> folks!
> 
> Think twice.  That is it.
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:30:22 -0700
>> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID
> 
>> Todd,
> 
>> I don't think it's feasible for Apple to put in Settings to allow 
> for the
>> smallest customization which a very small percentage of users 
> might want.  I
>> think most people want Voiceover to announce who is calling 
> without having
>> to pick up the phone and fiddle around with it before they hear 
> the number.
>> This would be like saying Apple should put in something for 
> sighted users so
>> that the caller's number is only displayed when they touch the 
> screen.
>> If the phone is across the room, if it is in my pocket or maybe I 
> have dirty
>> or wet hands the call probably has gone to Voicemail by the time 
> I check the
>> screen.If somebody doesn't want this announced because they are 
> in a meeting
>> then they probably wouldn't want the phone to ring either and 
> it's an easy
>> thing to flick the Mute switch which means the phone will not 
> ring and
>> Voiceover won't say anything.
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf
>> Of todd patkus
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:29 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID
> 
>> Then, there should be a feature Apple should definitely enhance 
> in their
>> iOS!
> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:16:52 -0700
>>> Subject: RE: Announcing caller ID
> 
>>> No, there is not.
> 
> 
> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> On Behalf Of Rami
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:07 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Announcing caller ID
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> Hello
> 
>>> Is there a way to stop voiceOver from announcing the caller ID
>> automatically when receiving an incoming call?
> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
> 
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