Hi Richard,
There are a lot of braille users who use braille and speech together, probably more than deafblind users who would only use braille. To me it makes sense that speech and braille are connected, on the iPhone somebody who only wantets braille can just mute speech as you suggested. I would hazard a guess and say that this is probably one of the main reasons why there is a mute speech function. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Announcing caller ID Todd, In an ideal world, Apple and Microsoft would have braille translation available with or without a screen reader. Sadly, they don't right now. I suspect until they both hear from enough braille users requesting that they add that as part of the universal design for accessibility, people who are deaf-blind are going to have to deal with screen readers in order to get braille access. I just did a test with my braille display and iPhone and muted the speech and turned the ringer off. The caller ID showed up very nicely on the braille display, and with a few keystrokes I was on the accept button and could answer the phone with no sound coming from the phone. If I remember correctly, that was one of your original points. I and I'm sure others may be willing to write to apple accessibility and request that they make it possible to use braille without having VoiceOver running. They seem the most likely company to me to maybe eventually make that happen. Richard "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Jun 18, 2014, at 8:55 AM, todd patkus <tpat...@shellworld.net <mailto:tpat...@shellworld.net> > wrote: whatever you say, David. I stand for the deafblind, not hearing-blind, therefore, your stand falls out! Please stop. No argument here! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> " <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 03:41:10 +1200 Subject: Re: Announcing caller ID VoiceOver is the system which specifically controls the use of braille in the iPhone. If VoiceOver is not present and running, you will not get braille. Therefore, you are incorrect. For you, VoiceOver is absolutely essential.. Do not get confused by the word voice in the name of the screen access solution which gives you braille access to the iPhone, iPod, and iPad. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Jun 2014, at 2:49, todd patkus <tpat...@shellworld.net <mailto:tpat...@shellworld.net> > wrote: Sandy et al, This message was directly towards Sieghard. Since I am profoundly deaf (although I do have some hearing) and totally blind, Voiceover is completely useless. I am simply a HEAVY Braille user. I see no reason why I ought to have Voiceover for navigating. It does not have to. Muting VO is nothing, hence no answer. There should have been two options: (a) Voiceover on for those who can he (b) Only Braille for those who cannot hear but depend only Braille -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. 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