Wow, what a shame. I was so excited about iOS eight and even getting a new 
phone, but with what you are saying, it seems I shouldn't do either, at least 
for a while. Thanks so much for the heads up. At least now I won't be in such a 
hurry to update or get the new phone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm assuming that my new phone will come with iOS8 installed. If so, I will 
> hold my other phone and maybe my iPad back until I have worked with it on the 
> new phone and I will advise a couple of people I help not to update 
> immediately so that either things will improve or I will know how tohelp them 
> first. But if I can use the new iOS on my new phone, then I will update my 
> other devices even if there are some bugs.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think since I still have a 4S for now and won't get out in the rush for
>> the new next week that I may for the first time hold off on the upgrade.
>> Usually I grab it he first day last year it was four days due to
>> circumstances beyond my control but sounds like I need to upgrade my phone
>> first and that probably won't happen for a few more weeks, I am eligible
>> through Verizon, have been for over a month now but... 
>> 
>> Then again, who knows, I may go for it anyway but at this moment I am of the
>> opinion that I need the newer phone first.  Which one, I don't know, screen
>> size is of no matter to me but camera stability is, since I have to use the
>> phone to identify a lot now.  
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8
>> 
>> Are you willing to comment as to whether version 8 is not very usable
>> with these bugs or not? I'm one of these who wants to install new
>> things asap regardless of the consequences. However, if it is so buggy
>> that it's hard to use then I won't. The problems which people
>> complained about last year didn't bother me to much if that says
>> anything.
>> 
>>> On 9/13/14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> A very positive article, what it unfortunately does not mention is that
>> iOS
>>> 8 at this time (the Goldmaster or release version) has the most Voiceover
>>> issues of any release and some of these are not just little things like
>>> Voiceover saying "Screen Locked" twice which it did for a long time after
>>> iOS 7 was released.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been running the iOS 8 Beta since June and as far as I can tell
>> Apple
>>> has listened to hardly any of the feedback and bug reports provided by
>> blind
>>> beta testers. There have been 5 Beta versions and now the Goldmaster and
>>> almost all of the most serious and annoying bugs are still there. I hope
>>> that they react faster once the public release happens next Wednesday and
>>> hopefully blind people start flooding Apple Accessibility with emails and
>>> phone calls about these issues.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I will post a list of the 5 or so bugs which bug me the most and which I
>>> know other beta testers have reported as soon as the iOS 8 update comes
>> out.
>>> Anybody who wants to read about them just look for a post on Wednesday,
>>> September 17 with subject "The top 5 most annoying bugs in iOS 8 with
>>> Voiceover".
>>> 
>>> What bothers me is that a few of these issues are not specifically
>>> accessibility related and they don't happen if Voiceover is not running
>> but
>>> as soon as Voiceover is on you suddenly are plagued by this and that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:28 AM
>>> To: ViPone list
>>> Subject: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here is a link to an article by Steven Aquino about the accessibility
>>> features in iOS 8:
>>> 
>> http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-fe
>> atures/
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor
>>> Hugo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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