Thanks. Can you also please send me the link to the cut out for the new 
iPhones. :) I am glad to know it is taller but not so fat that my short hands 
will probably be able to hold it. The image stabilization is the main reason I 
want the iPhone 6 plus.

Christina
On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

> Hi Christina, we can expect the release of iOS 8 at 10 AM Pacific on the 17th.
> I found a website offering a cut-out of the two phones, so my daughter and I 
> cut them out. The 6 is quite similar in size to the 5s, they've saved a bit 
> of space elsewhere despite increasing the screen. The 6 Plus is a lot longer, 
> but actually, not as long as I was expecting. For me, the significantly 
> better battery life and image stabilisation are worth it.
> Here's the link to the book you asked for.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 17/09/2014, at 3:33 am, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Where can I get the book? Also, I am considering the 6 plus but I am 
>> concerned how large it will be after putting on a protective shock 
>> absorb-ant case like the otter box. I honestly, am quite excited about iOS 8 
>> even knowing ahead of time about the bugs. I am really excited about the 
>> different keyboard/typing/text input options. I hope that is not one of the 
>> bugs and I hope it does not disappoint. When is the release of iOS 8? 
>> Tomorrow?
>> 
>> Christina
>>> On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Lynn and all. It might be best to withhold your judgment for a bit. I'm 
>>>> not denying there are some real annoyances with this release, and 
>>>> depending on how you use your device, they'll be more of a bother to you 
>>>> than they will be for others. But for me, weighing up the good and bad, 
>>>> I'd still upgrade. There is just so much to like about iOS 8.
>>>> I'm planning on releasing iOS 8 Without the Eye a few hours before the 
>>>> software goes live so people get a chance to read it. In the email going 
>>>> out containing the book, there is a summary of the major bugs, 
>>>> consequences, and possible work-arounds. So those getting the book can 
>>>> hopefully make up their minds about whether upgrading is right for them by 
>>>> release time.
>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14/09/2014, at 8:55 am, Lynn Schneider <canepri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, what a shame. I was so excited about iOS eight and even getting a 
>>>>> new phone, but with what you are saying, it seems I shouldn't do either, 
>>>>> at least for a while. Thanks so much for the heads up. At least now I 
>>>>> won't be in such a hurry to update or get the new phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm assuming that my new phone will come with iOS8 installed. If so, I 
>>>>>> will hold my other phone and maybe my iPad back until I have worked with 
>>>>>> it on the new phone and I will advise a couple of people I help not to 
>>>>>> update immediately so that either things will improve or I will know how 
>>>>>> tohelp them first. But if I can use the new iOS on my new phone, then I 
>>>>>> will update my other devices even if there are some bugs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>>>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>>>>> thrown in the trash!
>>>>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>>>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>>>>> And now, every day:
>>>>>> "This I call to mind,
>>>>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>>>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>>>>> never ceases;
>>>>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>>>>> they are new every morning;
>>>>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>>>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think since I still have a 4S for now and won't get out in the rush 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the new next week that I may for the first time hold off on the upgrade.
>>>>>>> Usually I grab it he first day last year it was four days due to
>>>>>>> circumstances beyond my control but sounds like I need to upgrade my 
>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>> first and that probably won't happen for a few more weeks, I am eligible
>>>>>>> through Verizon, have been for over a month now but... 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then again, who knows, I may go for it anyway but at this moment I am 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> opinion that I need the newer phone first.  Which one, I don't know, 
>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>> size is of no matter to me but camera stability is, since I have to use 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> phone to identify a lot now.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of John Diakogeorgiou
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you willing to comment as to whether version 8 is not very usable
>>>>>>> with these bugs or not? I'm one of these who wants to install new
>>>>>>> things asap regardless of the consequences. However, if it is so buggy
>>>>>>> that it's hard to use then I won't. The problems which people
>>>>>>> complained about last year didn't bother me to much if that says
>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/13/14, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> A very positive article, what it unfortunately does not mention is that
>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>>> 8 at this time (the Goldmaster or release version) has the most 
>>>>>>>> Voiceover
>>>>>>>> issues of any release and some of these are not just little things like
>>>>>>>> Voiceover saying "Screen Locked" twice which it did for a long time 
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> iOS 7 was released.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have been running the iOS 8 Beta since June and as far as I can tell
>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>> has listened to hardly any of the feedback and bug reports provided by
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>> beta testers. There have been 5 Beta versions and now the Goldmaster 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> almost all of the most serious and annoying bugs are still there. I 
>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>> that they react faster once the public release happens next Wednesday 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> hopefully blind people start flooding Apple Accessibility with emails 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> phone calls about these issues.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will post a list of the 5 or so bugs which bug me the most and which 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know other beta testers have reported as soon as the iOS 8 update comes
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>> Anybody who wants to read about them just look for a post on Wednesday,
>>>>>>>> September 17 with subject "The top 5 most annoying bugs in iOS 8 with
>>>>>>>> Voiceover".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What bothers me is that a few of these issues are not specifically
>>>>>>>> accessibility related and they don't happen if Voiceover is not running
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> as soon as Voiceover is on you suddenly are plagued by this and that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> To: ViPone list
>>>>>>>> Subject: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here is a link to an article by Steven Aquino about the accessibility
>>>>>>>> features in iOS 8:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-fe
>>>>>>> atures/
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor
>>>>>>>> Hugo
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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