Maybe it was due to my listening to a screen reader and synthesizer, but
your message, to me, had an absolute tone of impatience. If that was not
your meaning, I apologize.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:35 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too.
Smile.
I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this.
If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease
heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people who
were blind just because it worked for people who see. Would your company
philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted people it will be
released even though it is not yet ready for people who are blind? I don't
expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason why it is not just as stable
for me as it is for my wife. Why am I assumed to be impatient if I think
people who are blind should have equal access? Equal access means it works
equally for both populations when it is released. I think that is a
reasonable assumption.
By the way, I did send a similar email to apple.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work
perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all of
the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. Did
version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a while to
get the bugs worked out, but they did it. So, rather than immediately whine
and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack? Give them time to work
the bugs out, just like they did after releasing version 7.0?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would
not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can
release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs
that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I
know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them
high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have
said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and
less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of
these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are
blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get
it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who
are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I
thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your
mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to
be such a friend of people who are disabled.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to
us. I will patiently wait.
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Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished,
you! really! are! finished!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM
Subject: IOS 8 Released
Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?
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