Moving apps out of or into the line just above the dock is no problem on my 5S.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released The one bug that I can see for certain is that I can't move an app from the line above the dock. This is annoying but not a deal breaker. On 9/17/14, Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: > Hi, Thanks for your observations having already loaded the iOS. But be > careful about what you say about life saving. One of apple's big pushes is > on health. Who knows what one might be able to save when they are able to > use the phone. Also, I made the case in a previous message, that companies > owned by persons who are blind are at a disadvantage when things are this > buggy. > > Please let us know what you find. The bright spot was that the article said > that not everyone had found certain bugs to be present. So, it may be a > leap > of faith, but it may turn out OK after all. > > Neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of John Diakogeorgiou > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:49 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released > > A couple of things. By vision I meant low vision. > So far the phone is dialing properly. This was my main concern. > Alex is going to have to take some time to get used too but I like his > voice > inflections. > Finally, you can't compare Voice Over to a tool which is going to save > someones life. > > On 9/17/14, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote: >> Maybe it was due to my listening to a screen reader and synthesizer, >> but your message, to me, had an absolute tone of impatience. If that >> was not your meaning, I apologize. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, >> >> you! really! are! finished! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:35 PM >> Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released >> >> >> Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too. >> Smile. >> >> I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this. >> If you were developing a popular product that would drastically >> decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs >> for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see. >> Would your company philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted >> people it will be released even though it is not yet ready for people >> who are blind? I don't expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason >> why it is not just as stable for me as it is for my wife. Why am I >> assumed to be impatient if I think people who are blind should have >> equal access? Equal access means it works equally for both populations >> when it is released. I think that is a reasonable assumption. >> >> By the way, I did send a similar email to apple. >> >> Neal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Charles Rivard >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released >> >> I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to >> work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even >> considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and > complicated overhaul. >> Did >> version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a >> while to get the bugs worked out, but they did it. So, rather than >> immediately whine and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack? >> Give them time to work the bugs out, just like they did after >> releasing version 7.0? >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, you! really! are! finished! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM >> Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released >> >> >> If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple >> would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that >> they can release something to the public and then, if they have time, >> fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have >> a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of >> accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as >> some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been >> resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the >> first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before >> release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low >> vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people >> who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are >> blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I >> thought you were a better company than that. Put your development >> where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. >> Otherwise, don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled. >> >> Neal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Charles Rivard >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released >> >> I'm sure that we can. 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