Absolutely! We always need to be advocates for others and ourselves, but there are realities that must be kept in mind and we injure our own cause if we lose sight of them.
-- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:36 PM, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Alia well put! > > On 9/17/14, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been >> released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind. >> Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact >> is, we are a very tiny group of people. >> >> At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the >> system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It >> does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape >> on the face of the machine so I can find the start button. >> >> My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel >> with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I >> have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine >> and dryer. >> >> It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market >> for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only >> are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market >> >> And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is >> what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not >> an insignificant amount of money. >> >> Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO >> only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple. >> >> Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs >> are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall >> behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority >> of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most >> innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum. >> We found a model which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the >> robot cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the >> base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's >> little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to be programmed by >> the sighted person. It does not have a blind-accessible interface. >> Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we are planning to purchase next year has >> an iPhone app that appears to be accessible. >> On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: >> >>> Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too. >>> Smile. >>> >>> I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this. >>> If you were developing a popular product that would drastically decrease >>> heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs for people >>> who >>> were blind just because it worked for people who see. Would your company >>> philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted people it will be >>> released even though it is not yet ready for people who are blind? I >>> don't >>> expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason why it is not just as stable >>> for me as it is for my wife. Why am I assumed to be impatient if I think >>> people who are blind should have equal access? Equal access means it >>> works >>> equally for both populations when it is released. I think that is a >>> reasonable assumption. >>> >>> By the way, I did send a similar email to apple. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Charles Rivard >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released >>> >>> I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to work >>> perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even considering all >>> of >>> the work it has taken to produce such a major and complicated overhaul. >>> Did >>> version 7.0 work perfectly the first time? Not hardly. It took a while >>> to >>> get the bugs worked out, but they did it. So, rather than immediately >>> whine >>> and complain, how about giving them a bit of slack? Give them time to >>> work >>> the bugs out, just like they did after releasing version 7.0? >>> >>> --- >>> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >>> finished, >>> you! really! are! finished! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM >>> Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released >>> >>> >>> If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would >>> not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can >>> release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs >>> that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I >>> know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave >>> them >>> high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends >>> have >>> said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation >>> and >>> less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all >>> of >>> these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are >>> blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to >>> get >>> it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people >>> who >>> are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I >>> thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where >>> your >>> mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim >>> to >>> be such a friend of people who are disabled. >>> >>> Neal >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Charles Rivard >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released >>> >>> I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it >>> to >>> us. I will patiently wait. >>> >>> --- >>> Be positive! 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