Amen! There is a huge difference between a few bugs, such as saying "screen locked" twice and having the system be so buggy that many people are not able to use it effectively. I really respect Neal and Sieghaird for pointing out these things. And I am really sick and tired of the folks who seem to think that it is okay for us to automatically expect to wait for several months before the major bugs are ironed out. Yes, we are a small market. But if somebody is going to cheer themselves on and say how great they are for accessibility, the bar needs to be a little higher than it apparently is for this realse. Apple is not your garden-variety developer. They are one of the richest corporations in the world. And they brag about how cool they are with their products for people with disabilities. You can't have it both ways. If you are a true leader, you lead by example, and that does not include leaving a bunch of bugs that have been reported and not acted on, which affect the use of the system in major ways. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Agree with the below. > > Take care > > 17. sep. 2014 kl. 19:49 skrev Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>: > > If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would > not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can > release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs > that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I > know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave them > high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends have > said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation and > less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all of > these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are > blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get > it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who > are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I > thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where your > mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim to > be such a friend of people who are disabled. > > Neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Charles Rivard > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released > > I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get it to > us. I will patiently wait. > > --- > Be positive! 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