Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:21:16 -0400
From: Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Very easy answer.
First, accessibility costs a big lot of money and, if they calculate it at
$35 per phone, it amounts in billions.
Second, if Mr. Cook mentioned this at shareholders meeting is because the
shareholders wanted him to cut back on accessibility to save money and he
told them he would never do that. Let's be thankful he stood his ground.
Ron & Danvers
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Two questions come to mind.
1. Why does Apple have to spend $35 for every iPhone sold for
accessibility.
2. Why did Mr. cook feel it necessary to make that an issue at a
shareholders meeting.
On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:34 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, what an interesting comparison. In reality, such devices have been
released. The first several devices were not at all accessible to the blind.
Therefore, your argument does not hold up to what actually happens. The fact
is, we are a very tiny group of people.
At work, we have a water filtration system which has multiple settings. the
system announces which type of water is coming out when it is started. It
does not announce the setting when being set. We have a few pieces of tape
on the face of the machine so I can find the start button.
My microwave oven has no announcements whatsoever. We marked the touch panel
with dots on the buttons, but I have no way of knowing for certain what I
have pressed until it is finished. The same is true with our washing machine
and dryer.
It is unfair to those of us who are blind, but we are not a viable market
for any mainstream product. Therefore, any bugs which effect VoiceOver only
are not major or showstopers for over 99% of Apple's market
And yet, Apple spends $35 per every iPhone sold for accessibility. This is
what was stated in April at a shareholder meeting by Tim Cook. This is not
an insignificant amount of money.
Now that the beta cycle is complete, send in those bug reports. The minor VO
only bugs can now be worked on more by Apple.
Oh, and as to the question about why doesn't Apple wait until all minor bugs
are fixed? Well, it is impossible to fix all bugs, so Apple would fall
behind as a company if they stop innovating in today's world. The majority
of those who buy products tend to purchase those products with the most
innovative useful features. For example, we just purchased a robotic vacuum.
We found a model which the base/recharging station empties the dirt from the
robot cleaner. This way, we only need to empty the dust from the bin in the
base station once a month or so. Much better than emptying the robot's
little dust cup after every use. Oh, and the robot needs to be programmed by
the sighted person. It does not have a blind-accessible interface.
Fortunately, the robotic lawnmower we are planning to purchase next year has
an iPhone app that appears to be accessible.
On 18/09/2014, at 6:35 am, Neal Ewers <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:
Sorry if you get this twice. My email provider has a few bugs today too.
Smile.
I did not say it had to be perfect, but consider this.
If you were developing a popular product that would drastically
decrease heart attacks, would you release it first with lots of bugs
for people who were blind just because it worked for people who see.
Would your company philosophy be that as long as it works for sighted
people it will be released even though it is not yet ready for people
who are blind? I don't expect it to be perfect, but I see no reason
why it is not just as stable for me as it is for my wife. Why am I
assumed to be impatient if I think people who are blind should have
equal access? Equal access means it works equally for both populations
when it is released. I think that is a reasonable assumption.
By the way, I did send a similar email to apple.
Neal
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
I think that you are far, far, far too impatient. You expect it to
work perfectly, the very first time out of the box, not even
considering all of the work it has taken to produce such a major and
complicated overhaul. Did version 7.0 work perfectly the first time?
Not hardly. It took a while to get the bugs worked out, but they did
it. So, rather than immediately whine and complain, how about giving
them a bit of slack? Give them time to work the bugs out, just like they
did after releasing version 7.0?
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From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released
If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple
would not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that
they can release something to the public and then, if they have time,
fix the bugs that make the device much less stable for people who have
a disability. I know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of
accessibility. I gave them high praise and they deserved it. But, as
some of my Mac user friends have said, they seem to have lately been
resting on their former reputation and less on getting it right the
first time. Obviously, they knew about all of these iOS bugs before
release. This is why they have beta testers who are blind and have low
vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to get it to people
who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people who are
blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame on you Apple, I
thought you were a better company than that. Put your development
where your mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise,
don't claim to be such a friend of people who are disabled.
Neal
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
I'm sure that we can. All we have to do is to wait until they can get
it to us. I will patiently wait.
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From: "John Diakogeorgiou" <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:58 AM
Subject: IOS 8 Released
Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?
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