Hi. Thing is, I do use quite regularly Braille with my iPhone 5. I'm sure it is more stable on the 6 since the 6 has a 64 bit processor and better inner components. That, along with the sluggishness and the Braille issues, are the big reasons why I am staying with iOS 7, at least for now.
Wayne On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've not seen VO crash on the 6. If you don't use braille or Bluetooth > and are a bit tolerant you will be fine. > > On 9/24/14, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all. Thanks for the feedback. It sounds like I can wait a bit for >> the new phone, which should be here in at most another 2 weeks. >> Hopefully by then Apple will have put out a minor update or two to fix >> all the annoyances. I could put it on my 5, but given that several >> have reported VO crashing, I am not in that much of a hurry to get iOS >> 8. Besides, if the bugs persist, then I will get to endure them with >> everyone else on the brand new iPhone 6, oh boy. >> >> Wayne >> >> On 9/24/14, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> I'm not having many problems on my phones and the instructions sent to >>> me >>> re: the rivvo helped me with all my bluetooth keyboards. Crashing is >>> annoying but on my iPad, I much prefer it stopping and restarting to >>> what >>> it >>> has sometimes done to me: stopping and hanging in the middle of an email >>> so >>> that i had to turn off vo, lock the iPad, unlock it and turn on vo >>> again. >>> For me, stopping and restarting and even some characters that repeat >>> which >>> I >>> may have to delete are better than that: of course I'd rather have none >>> of >>> the above :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Cheryl >>> >>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >>> thrown in the trash! >>> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >>> His joy for my despairing tears! >>> And now, every day: >>> "This I call to mind, >>> and therefore I have hope: >>> The steadfast love of the Lord >>> never ceases; >>> his mercies never come to an end; >>> they are new every morning; >>> great is your faithfulness." >>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard or display, and I have no major >>>> problems. >>>> Yes, VO crashes more, and sometimes Siri won't work quite right. I'm >>>> willing to put up with those problems, though, to get the braille >>>> input, >>>> interactive notifications, widgets, predictive typing, and other iOS8 >>>> features. It's a personal choice, though, and if you don't want the >>>> bugs, >>>> there's no harm at all in waiting. >>>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on >>>>> an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait >>>>> until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon. >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>> On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with >>>>>> IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't >>>>>> handle >>>>>> the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have >>>>>> supported it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote: >>>>>>> First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS >>>>>>> 8. >>>>>>> However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s. >>>>>>> I have not found a pattern to all the crashes. >>>>>>> The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed >>>>>>> VO >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> on, screen curtain on etc is announced. >>>>>>> I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Christopher Chaltain >>>>>>> Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53 >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the >>>>>>> case >>>>>>> that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to >>>>>>> toggle >>>>>>> the voice on and off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in >>>>>>> similar >>>>>>> situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> on as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver >>>>>>> bugs >>>>>>> is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone >>>>>>> technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. >>>>>>> IMHO, >>>>>>> one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar >>>>>>> with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb >>>>>>> their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but >>>>>>> let's >>>>>>> just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever >>>>>>> accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote: >>>>>>>> When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the >>>>>>>> iPhone. >>>>>>>> iOS >>>>>>>> is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to >>>>>>>> catch >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>>> Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. >>>>>>>> Unlike >>>>>>>> blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what >>>>>>>> happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while >>>>>>>>> tapping >>>>>>>>> the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. >>>>>>>>> VoiceOVer >>>>>>>>> just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell >>>>>>>>> Siri >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off >>>>>>>>> button >>>>>>>>> and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 >>>>>>>>> Apple. >>>>>>>>> I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total >>>>>>>>> crap >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you >>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>> upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there >>>>>>>>> engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the >>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>> of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> doin >>>>>>> g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 3GS >>>>>>> and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the >>>>>>> answer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>>>>>> viphone >>>>>>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>>>>> owners >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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