Chris, I like this feature.  My iPhone can be in the bed room on the other end 
of the house and I get a phone call.  My iPad Air is here next to me on my 
desk.  I now don't have to get up and run to the bed room and hope the caller 
doesn't hang up and that's assuming I even heard it ring in the first place.  
This is a 3 bedroom 2 bath house so it's isn't a small house so I love this 
feature.  As a side note, I installed iOS 8 but hadn't finished reading through 
all the new features.  I got a phone call and my iPad Air rang.  On the screen 
was an answer button so I double tapped it and started talking to my daughter.  
I explained what happened and she got a chuckle out of it so for me it works 
pretty well.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: christopher hallsworth 
  To: Viphone 
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver


  Lol! That will be part of the handoff feature in iOS 8. This allows calls to 
be made and received from any device running iOS 8 including iPad and iPod 
Touch as well as Macs running Yosemite coming soon.


  Sent from my Macbook Pro 


  On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:00, SoonerAnnie <sooneran...@att.net> wrote:


    My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing 
    problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce 
    who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't 
    have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's 
    calling. So go figure! LOL

    Ann

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Ron Pelletier" <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
    To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM
    Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
    VoiceOver


    Sharonda,

    Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, 
its 
    making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is 
    really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of 
    their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is 
    complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there 
for 
    a while

    Ron & Danvers


    -----Original Message-----
    From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
    Of Sharonda Greenlaw
    Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
    To: viphone@googlegroups.com
    Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

    Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete 
    crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete 
    crap. That's just one person's opin ion.

    Sharonda
    Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


      On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> 
      wrote:

      I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for 
      example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.


        On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
        It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
        IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
        handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
        have supported it.


          On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote:
          First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
          However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
          I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
          The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on 
me.
          But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
          VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
          I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

          -----Original Message-----
          From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
          Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
          To: viphone@googlegroups.com
          Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

          Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
          case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
          to toggle the voice on and off.

          Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
          try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in
          similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and
          then back on as well.

          I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
          bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
          technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
          IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
          making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
          the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
          we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then
          when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many
          people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit
          where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle
          Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be 
          content with.


            On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
            When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the
            iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS 
/ VO 
            to catch up.
            Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
            Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a
            year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
            Let's see what happens.

            David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
            Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
            Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
            Sent from my iPhone


              On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> 
wrote:

              I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as
              for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
              while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification
              comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button
              and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is
              already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks.
              Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to
              restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo 
being 
              taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
              I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total
              crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community.
              If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple
              can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it
              is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and
              VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at
              least listening to what Droid is doin

          g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since
          the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this
          release and the
          35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the 
          answer.


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