Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Thu, 25 Sep 2014 19:31:54 -0700

Of course, as a user of Microsoft products, I'd be concerned if Microsoft were pushing updates to it's products by mistake. It's one thing to have a company make a conscious decision to ship a product with some known warts in it and another thing for a company to push out some software accidentally. It would be hard to trust or rely on a company when you can't depend on them following their own internal processes to get the right product out the door. Hopefully, Microsoft has fixed those process problems in the last seven years.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but having seen all of the steps a software release has to go through to get out of the door at more than one large company, I just can't believe this happens as frequently as you seem to indicate it does. The press is always looking for such stories, so I'd think we'd all hear about these cases if they were more frequent, and if anything, we'd probably think they happened even more than they do, given how the press likes to hype these kinds of mistakes. 

On 9/25/2014 8:49 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

Well, I guess you would be troubled by Microsoft also. I once rec



eived an unintended upgrade release from them back in 2007. It can happen to 
any company, and happens more often than one might think.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 26 Sep 2014, at 10:11, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know all of the details about why IOS 8.0.1 was released by mistake, 
but if it really was just human error then that would trouble me greatly. Large 
companies, like Apple, when they're releasing an update to a major operating 
system of theirs, has processes in place to make sure things are not released 
by mistake or prematurely. Developers make mistakes too, and that's why you 
have test teams to catch those bugs before they hit the public. I've been 
involved in product releases my entire professional career, and at any company 
I've worked at, it's inconceivable to me that an update to a major product 
could be released accidentally. If human error could circumvent all of the 
checks and processes in place to make sure this doesn't happen then there are 
some serious process issues in Apple's release process. The fact that something 
like this could happen, troubles me much more than the bugs I've seen in IOS 8.


On 09/25/2014 08:39 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
The people who are bashing Apple about 8.0.1 are conveniently ignoring
the fact that it was released by human error. Come on people are you
saying you've never made a mistake?


On 9/25/14, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't agree more.
Guys look, here's the deal, no technology company is perfect, nor will
it ever be.
Apple has gone through some great lengths to make the iphone family and
macs accessible in so many different ways.  Sometimes you just have to
get creative and learn.  Part of the issue is the specific app
development itself.
There are many apps where the developers don't know how to make their
apps accessible although many of them are open to it and want to learn.
   I switched to an iphone almost 2 years ago and i would never go back.
Take some time, learn, and spend some time with it, and you can't go wrong.

Cheers,
Jed


On 9/25/2014 7:51 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with the posting here below. In fact i couldn't
have said it better myself, i probably would have added some grumpy
comments that would make if not enemies then at least some not so happy
people.:-)
I may be overly loyal to Apple, even to the point of religion but i have
to say that Apple has done a whole lot more than i ever expected a main
stream company to ever do for us. As i stated in an earlier post, i don't
think i have ever seen a bug that's not been fixed although it may have
taken some time.
/Krister


25 sep 2014 kl. 13:18 skrev Joanne Chua <shuang.an...@gmail.com>:

not finger ppointing at anyone, but at times, most times, i do wonder,
what is really the accessibility issue of Apple, and what is user
errores, or the lack of understanding and training for user usage.

I heard this over and over again, from different list how apple is
inaccessible for VO user, how Apple got so many different and
keystrokes to learn compare to jaws and windows and etc etc. But,  do
these users really give VO a chance, putting window aside, for say, 3
months, and really focus on VO


And these people also often forget to celebrate the good things of
accessibility on apple products, but instead, decide to focus on the
bad things and how inaccessible apple products are for VO user.

I'm not saying apple is perfect, in many ways apple is far from
perfect, or the ideal technology for blind  users. But at the same
time, if Apple is so inaccessible, why then, there are more and more
blind and VI professionals switch to Apple instead of stay on with
windows?

Just my 0.2 worth of sense


On 25/09/2014, mário navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote:

yes friend absolutely right.
I also share your words ...
I sold my imac because I was tired of the irresponsibility of the
apple.
I thought things were better in IOS and with the money from selling the
imac bought an iPhone.
but once again the apple disappointed me because it is the total
irresponsibility on all your systems ...
vo on OSX, is stopped in time.
Apple does not listen to us and no longer serves us as it should ...
I think that apple is no longer able to continue to innovate the vo.
if apple would hear us things would not be this shame ...
we must have the same rights as the sighted people.
let's stop  to say amen to favors that apple makes us ...
apple stop  sleeping in the spotlight ...
open your eyes and stop being irresponsible ...
cheers.

Em 25/09/2014 10:27, Pablo Morales escreveu:

Hmmm, I think everything has a limit. Apple makes great products, even
though, it should not be a excuse to start doing this kind of things.
Since this last year, me and apple are very mad. Mad, because I am
noticing that for them, when they have a huge reputation, they want to
sale more, and IOs and other examples is something that apple is not
testing enough, just to  make more money.

Anyway. I am very happy now, with my IOs 7.1.2, and you know what?

I have less than one year using this IOs 7.1.2, why I will install a
new release with bunches of bugs?

It doesn't make sense. But it is my opinion, and I respect who wants
to try something new, when they know that IOs8 is getting a lot of
problems, related with the accessibility, and not with the
accessibility.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ron Pelletier
*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:28 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Neal,

I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are
impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't
have time to properly check them.  Having seen what has happened last
year and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to
put out the new product is more important than coming out with the
right thing from the get go.  They set themselves a deadline and go
crazy trying to stick to it and the result is what we get.

I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the
problems and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are,
people seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is
ready. When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the
first to get the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about
several dozen bugs.

Ron & Danvers

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that
they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to
pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on
the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the
testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of
updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I
guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests
the updates they release.

Neal

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Hall
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I
imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the
iPhone6.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma <trea.a...@gmail.com
<mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was
able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is
solved.

*From:*Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Cc:*Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>

*Subject:*Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that
the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of
Fielding

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On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male
<gailcrowe1...@gmail.com <mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm
downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to
the list, but you beat me to it. LOL!

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     *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

     *Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:29 PM

     *Subject:*iOS 8.0.1 is out

     Checking the changelong, there's no specific mention of
     accessibility fixes, but maybe those who install it can comment on
     whehter they notice any improvements on their devices...

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