Hi Grant and all, There is a command in iOS 8 for hearing text formatting on a braille display - Space with dots 2-3-4-5-6. This works in Notepad. I haven't tried it in other apps though. But at least they're working on a way to speak format info.
Best, Anna > On Nov 9, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Grant Hardy <grantha...@outlook.com> wrote: > > The fact that text formatting is not indicated in speech or Braille is a > VoiceOver limitation. In Mac OS X, there is a VoiceOver command to speak the > text attributes at your current cursor location, and there are also other > commands involving text attributes built into VoiceOver. iOS doesn't support > any of this functionality yet, which is a limitation for other apps as well > as Microsot Word. > > That said, it's obvious that Microsoft is beginning to give thought to the > accessibility of its software for iOS, and I really appreciate that. > Microsoft Word is unfortunately not that accessible beyond basic text > editing, in my experience. For example, there is no way I have found with VO > to work with tables, as you can in Apple's Pages app. However, the other apps > in the Office suite are definitely worth a look. Excel seems to be the most > accessible app, though I haven't played with it extensively. PowerPoint also > seems to have some accessibility built in both for presenting slide shows and > editing presentations; however, in my experience it simply crashes too much > to be usable. This is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 8.1. > > Grant > > Sent from mobile > > On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you do use any of the formatting, it is not indicated in speech. > And you can only move by characters, words or headings. Not lines. I > agree totally that we'll never get the same experience as sighted > users, my co-workers love their Word for Ipad. But having full > navigation and access to the results of formatting would make a > difference at least. I would just be very caucious to describe it as > accessible. It may be all we can get given the OS etc. but I just > wouldn't describe it as accessible. > >> On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech <joseph.freet...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The problem might be one of users asking too much of the form factor. Small >> >> apps such as what Microsoft is offering on the iPhone and such are not meant >> >> to be full Microsoft Office replacements no matter how hard blind people try >> >> to make them behave in this manner. these small apps might result in a more >> >> productive experience for the sighted user, but this is because the iPhone >> and such devices are designed for the sighted world, so when you read about >> >> these apps anywhere other than these blind-centric lists, the apps boast >> lots because sighted people can for the most part be much more productive >> not having to swipe their fingers to the bone trying to find each icon or >> control on the screen--they just scan the screen with their eyes and tap. >> <Smile>. >> >> What do you feel can be done to improve the current accessibility or ease of >> >> use? >> >> Joseph >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Deb Lewis" <deblewi...@gmail.com> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver >> >> >> Well it doesn't look like accessibility has improved at all. Almost >> impossible to edit a document even with a keyboard. Nice that you can >> do basic editing without subscribing but I don't really think it's >> very useable yet frankly. Still pretty disappointing sadly. >> >>> On 11/7/14, Joseph FreeTech <joseph.freet...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm not talking about setting up a Microsoft account, I'm referring to >>> needing such an account when using these Microsoft apps. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Richard Turner" <rich...@turner42.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Word on the iPhone with VoiceOver >>> >>> >>> Actually, you ou can use any Email address when setting up a microsoft >>> account. >>> My email ends in turner42 and works just fine. >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> The only limits are those of vision. >>> >>> >>> >>> 🐉 >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 5S >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joseph FreeTech <joseph.freet...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> To run: >>>> Microsoft Word on the App Store on iTunes >>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-word/id586447913?mt=8 >>>> >>>> You will need a Microsoft related account such as an email address which >>>> ends with @live.com or @outlook.com >>>> >>>> You will be installing the full app on your iOS device which means you >>>> will >>>> not need to visit a website or Wi-Fi to use these apps. >>>> >>>> When installing the app you will begin with a brief demo. >>>> >>>> You will be asked to enter your email address then your password. >>>> >>>> Your app will now be setup. >>>> >>>> You can purchase a subscription but it is not necessary as you can go >>>> into >>>> the menus and import from OneDrive via Wi-Fi etc. >>>> >>>> You will only get basic features with the free apps, but this might be >>>> enough for those on the go who aren't looking to torture themselves by >>>> trying to author their book using this type of device. >>>> >>>> The apps are not completely accessible as there is no way to return the >>>> app >>>> to it's normal view once one modifies the app to show in the full view. >>>> >>>> If one is really interested in this type of access, please go through >>>> the >>>> process of installing before asking questions as this will focus your >>>> questions and eliminate easy questions which result in many, many >>>> unnecessary replies. 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