Hello Alex, Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to start a legal discussion; in the end we are probably no lawyers. 😉
yes, at least in German/European law this are two different things. Its of course much easier to record a call, especially if one side (like the customer) give consent to it. This happens all the time e.g. for purchases or quality assurance calls, similar as in the US I assume. Sharing a recorded call publicly is another thing, and more restricted for obvious reasons. Cheers, Henning -- Henning Westerholt – https://skalatan.de/blog/ Kamailio services – https://gilawa.com > -----Original Message----- > From: VoiceOps <voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Alex > Balashov via VoiceOps > Sent: Mittwoch, 20. September 2023 18:07 > To: VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number? > > I thought I stated the recording law accurately? > > I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording per > se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As far > as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute against > this > as long as the recording was legally made in the first place. > > -- Alex > > > On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > > > > I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of). > > There are > only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single > party. You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not > involved, and they don’t know you’re recording. > > > > It leads to a complexity that I’m trying to help a customer with now. What > > if > someone in AZ (single party) calls a person in CA (all party)? Further, what > if > the server is in AZ, but the caller is in an all party state, and they call a > single > party state? Etc. > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2023 at 2:16:02 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >> Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if consent > >> was > obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require > consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific prohibition > against publicising it that I'm aware of. > >> > >> — > >> Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors. > >> > >>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>  Hello, > >>> > >>> kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call publicly on > this list. For the record, I did not listen to it. > >>> Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a > penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how serious > the infringement is. > >>> > >>> About the US laws you know of course better, I was just surprised. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Henning > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Henning Westerholt – https://skalatan.de/blog/ Kamailio services – > >>> https://gilawa.com > >>> > >>> From: VoiceOps <voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org> On Behalf Of > >>> Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps > >>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 19:32 > >>> To: Carlos Alvarez <caalva...@gmail.com> > >>> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops@voiceops.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number? > >>> > >>> Here is another link if that one didn't work - > >>> > >>> > https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023 > %5F > >>> September%5F19%5F095014%5FEST- > EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F716961616 > >>> 1%5F714 > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:19 PM Christopher Aloi <cta...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> I appreciate the concern, and the thought crossed our minds. He called > twice and once ended up in sales and once in support and he didn't seem to be > interested in who he spoke with. > >>> > >>> Here is a recording of the call.. > >>> > >>> https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layout > >>> > s/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocume > nts% > >>> > 2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4 > 845791377% > >>> 5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >>> Is it possible that he’s fixated on a specific employee? Not to be > >>> alarmist, > but it’s worth asking around. I once had a situation where I noticed some > crazy calling activity in a log, just by coincidence, and found that an > employee > was being stalked/harassed. > >>> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023 at 10:08:33 AM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >>> Ha! He did say "he has no self control". Maybe just someone with some > mental challenges. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:05 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >>> Does your company provide anything of interests to addicts, or > >>> anyone with a compulsive habit they are trying to kick? (e.g. > >>> compulsive shopping for new VoIP handsets) > >>> > >>> > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps > <voiceops@voiceops.org> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Hey All, > >>> > > >>> > I have a new one. > >>> > > >>> > We (hosted phone provider) have received three calls today from an > individual asking us to block him from calling our company. I can't figure > out > his end game. He's tried multiple times and didn't explain why when > questioned. He said multiple times he wanted his number to be blocked from > calling our company. > >>> > > >>> > Thoughts? > >>> > > >>> > Could it be a social engineering attempt? 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