Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Edmund Storms wrote: > > > > laws are understood by 99.99999% of scientists and engineers. CF also > > > appears to violate some textbook laws of nuclear physics, although > there is > > > less agreement among experts about which laws it violates, and to what > > > extent it violates them. The point is, only a fool would believe in CF if > > > it had not been proven experimentally. O-U motors should be ruled > > > impossible until it is proven by experiment that they exist. It has to > be a > > > widely replicated, well documented, convincing experiment. > > > > I suggest the issue is not that CF or O-U devices violate conservation of > > energy laws. This issue is a distraction. When conservation of energy laws > > are applied, all sources of energy must be identified. If an unexpected and > > ignored energy is involved in the process, the conservation law can not be > > applied. > > I meant that ZPE appears to violate the conservation of mass-energy. It > produces energy without annihilating commensurate mass. > > > In the case of CF, the energy source are > > unexpected nuclear reactions that produce completely conventional products. > > Yes. I said that CF appears to violate nuclear physics. I did not mean it > violates C. of E. Some skeptics have made that claim, but it is ridiculous. > Actually, CF is predicated on calorimetry, which is predicated on the > second law. If thermodynamics does not work, CF results are meaningless. > > > In the case of O-U motors, the ignored energy is proposed to be > ZPE. The only > > issue is whether ZPE can be made to run a motor. The laws of > conversation of > > energy have no bearing on the issue. > > I think they do. Scott Little told me he stopped believing in ZPE some > years ago because every time he asked a theorist how much energy it > produces, the estimate seemed to go up by another 10 orders of magnitude. > Eventually they were talking about boiling away the oceans of earth ten > time over with the ZPE in a few centimeters of space. That sounds > ridiculous to me. Of course it is ridiculous. This is like saying at all the energy in the oceans, if extracted, would run the world for decades. The extraction process for ZPE will obviously be very inefficient and probably is limited by what would be equivalent to the Carnot cycle. Ed > > > - Jed
