Jones, vo,
I have been taking 12 grams of C daily for many years and following Cathcart
by increasing the dose sharply when symptoms of a virus appear. Alacer
SuperGram II from VitaCost.com is a source that greatly reduces the
probability of stomach discomfort. These green 1 gram pills are easy to
take without water. Pauling use to keep C pills in his shirt pocket.
In 1964 I hired a former secretary of Paulings and learned of his work with
C. I've been taking large doses ever since.
My ex was able to cure a severe problem that three doctors including one at
Kaiser felt was intractable. Cathcart suggested 80 grams orally in powder
form and in about 20 days she was able to reduce the need dramatically.
Note that it is important when taking large amounts of C to drop the dosage
slowly, otherwise there is a well known reaction that brings back the
problem.
Most of Cathcart's patients are here in the U.S. He was a prominent
orthopedic surgeon who held a patent on a much used hip replacement. All
his life to that point he had an ugly scar on his face. A doctor he knew
suggested it might be viral. He studied Pauling's work and vitamin C made
the scar disappear. He than became an orthomolecular physician. Probably
the first in what is now a growing group.
His published papers are on the web site. He has tried to publish others,
but has the same problem faced by LENR scientists.
Mark
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bird Flu and Vitamin C
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:16:52 -0700
Cathcart's web site says treatment of the Bird Flu with massive doses of
ascorbate would be the same as any other flu except that the severity of
the disease indicates that it may take unusually massive doses of ascorbic
acid orally, or even intravenous sodium ascorbate. According to him, IF and
when the body needs a massive dose, it will be tolerated by the digestive
system. Personally, I find that claim unlikely based on my experience (~40
years of taking C in large doses).
Even informed lay observers might consider much of the advice on this site
extreme. Whether it works or not is another issue - but the site is short
on actual statistical proof. Most medical professionals in the US would
consider these claims outrageous, but most of them are bonded permanently -
as if by feeding IV tubes, into the mother ship - the largess of the drug
companies. Roche must surely resent this kind of alternative information as
a costly intrusion into their turf. If only 10% of potential patients opted
for massive C, instead of Tamilfu it could cost them billions.
Cathcart claims to have treated 30,000 patients with massive dosages of C -
presumably many of these patients were in Africa as it would never be
permitted here - and claims to have saved patients who had contracted
Marburg and Ebola, which is presumably otherwise always fatal.
Why the dose needed is somewhat proportional to the severity of the disease
being treated is "discussed in my paper published in 1981, Titrating to
Bowel Tolerance, Anascorbemia, and Acute Induced Scurvy." He is saying that
the massive doses are tolerated in infection- situations where the C is
rapidly depleted by the disease itself - and that these disease do induce
scurvy (oddly the same will happen with too much C, if taken when it is not
needed). One needs to be very careful with the huge dosage.
"It is possible that the bird flu may require even higher doses such as 150
to 300 grams a day." ...." If massive doses of ascorbate are not used,
they may not be adequate."
For many years I've taken about 1 gram per day when healthy, and up to 10
grams when feeling even slightly ill - using the Pauling suggested method
of dissolving the ascobrate powder in juice. 10 grams will give anyone
"acid stomach". 100 grams seems crazy, but if I do get Bird Flu, I will try
it.
Much more economical for anyone without good medical coverage. My last
purchase of vit C powder was online and 500 grams cost about $15, but I
cannot imagine taking this all in a few days as it will normally last many
months. However, as a matter of cost - vs. the Tamiflu - this is the
situation:
Tamiflu is often quoted at $100 per dose, which is inaccurate. The best
price I could find from Canada for a "treatment" which is to be taken over
the course of the infection - but NOT as a preventative, was $202.99 for 30
of the 75 mg caps. Other commercial sites say that it can be taken as a
preventative but I doubt it. Everyone would love to sell it to you and
there really is no shortage online at least.
Some recommendations for Avian flu are for the injectible only, which would
be much higher in cost. If you get Avian flu and are treated by the medical
profession without insurance, the cost will likely be a minimum of $300 per
dose or injection, with 7-10 needed, and more likely much more. It could
cost you as much as $5000. But in the typical obfuscation fashion of the
medical profession - no one will actually quote this cost ahead of time for
Avian. Too embarrassing, probably.
Costwise, there is no comparison with massive Vit C - and in either case we
are talking about reducing the symptons and/or survival (if this is as bad
as Spanish flu). Neither is a preventative and C has a long history of
reducing symtoms whereas Tamiflu does not, but as Rothwell metnions, why
would all of these scads of medical professionals be so enthusiastic about
it, if it did not work as claimed?
To that my answer is "follow the buck." It is not a question of it not
working - it is a question of how superior is it to vitamin C. Few MDs will
want to contradict Roche and miss out on there next free golf outing to
Jamaica.
One hopes that some cross-testing is done Tamiflu vs Massive C but that
will never happen here becasue Roche has the many in CDC and the larger
medical profession on a short leash. In places like Asia Africa, where
Roche is less powerful and we can possibly get good numbers which are not
altered by sepcial interests, we may see some real cross-comparison.
At any rate, I'm going to order another 500 grams of ascorbate powder for
the flu season (it keeps well if un-needed) ... Along with some ant-acid !
Jones
