The problem with this idea is that it will do what this guy in the video
said - make many government job obsolete. The big organizations we are
building in the public and private sector wants the complicated, very
inefficient system with all openings for corruption to stay in place.
I was amazed over how quickly the positive results appeared. I am talking
about things like higher productivity and willingness to take risks.
There is enough resources to feed everybody.
There is enough resources to get water to everybody.
There is enough resources to get a roof over everybody's head.
Getting LENR on the market would make all essential resources available.
If we made sure those resources were available and distributed, most people
would look to fulfill more sophisticated goals (see Maslow).
That would quickly increase the number of people helping to achieve
progress.
Logically it should be very simple to convince most people about the
positive a reform of this type can have.
I do not think that the democrats are any worse than the republicans or for
that matter Wall street. They like it and protect status quo together with
miscellaneous people who benefits from today's perfect for corruption
system. Continuing this way we will all be employed by big brother and look
for benefits generated by the system by the fact that regardless of good
intentions there will be plenty of loopholes. That society will take away
most ambitions, which are for a progressive society and replace them with
narcissistic ambitions.
All ambitions will have a hard time bear result if we continue thinking
that only size matters.
Small flexible organizations with a personal engagement paired with a self
administrating welfare system for all that is perhaps utopia but I am sure
it would make the experience of life much better for all. I guess somebody
think this is a socialistic solution. I think it is just the opposite.
Liberty and freedom will increase. To share the basic resources just
eliminate a war between them who has more of the basics than they can use
and those who cannot get hold of enough of the same resources because we
have an ambition to reward following the same model for basics as for more
sophisticated resources.
The Farm and 1984 were written at a time when capitalistic societies looked
down at centrally governed countries and there poor ability to handle the
resources. Now those experiments with communism are obsolete. However, the
centralization of power is the trademark of our generation (my generation).
We probably thought the failure of socialism was the the idea of equality.
Therefore we defended the capitalistic view and decided that we could be
just as controlling as any socialistic country. Thus creating the same
negative situation as the socialistic countries - the centralized society.
I  predict this will change within a couple of generations. It would be
great if it can happen from logical reasoning. LENR might just have a large
portion of the solution.

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Lennart Thornros

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:17 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I expect the major difficulty here to try it would be the GOP, but
>> logically that does not make sense.
>>
>
> From the conservative thinktank, The American Enterprise Institute comes a
> proposal to replace the welfare state with basic income
> <http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-in-our-hands_105549266790.pdf>
> .
>
>
> The only time basic income was ever even tested on a limited scale in the
> US was under the much maligned administartion of GOP president Nixon.
>
> No, the biggest impediment, by far, to anything that bypasses the corrupt
> welfare state is the Democratic Party which treats civil service jobs in
> that bureaucracy as political spoils delivered via "community organizers"
> that deliver votes to the Democrats:
>
>
>
>  Speech by President Richard Nixon
> <http://www.abelard.org/briefings/nixon_speech_guaranteed_income_citizens_wage.php>
>
> Good evening my fellow Americans:
>
> As you know, I returned last Sunday night from a trip around the world—a
> trip that took me to eight countries in 9 days.
>
> The purpose of this trip was to help lay the basis for a lasting peace,
> once the war in Vietnam is ended. In the course of it, I also saw once
> again the vigorous efforts so many new nations are making to leap the
> centuries into the modern world.
>
> Every time I return to the United States after such a trip, I realize how
> fortunate we are to live in this rich land. We have the world's most
> advanced industrial economy, the greatest wealth ever known to man, the
> fullest measure of freedom ever enjoyed by any people, anywhere.
>
> Yet we, too, have an urgent need to modernize our institutions—and our
> need is no less than theirs.
>
> We face an urban crisis, a social crisis-and at the same time, a crisis of
> confidence in the capacity of government to do its job.
>
> A third of a century of centralizing power and responsibility in
> Washington has produced a bureaucratic monstrosity, cumbersome,
> unresponsive, ineffective.
>
> A third of a century of social experiment has left us a legacy of
> entrenched programs that have outlived their time or outgrown their
> purposes.
>
> A third of a century of unprecedented growth and change has strained our
> institutions, and raised serious questions about whether they are still
> adequate to the times.
>
> It is no accident, therefore, that we find increasing skepticism—and not
> only among our young people, but among citizens everywhere—about the
> continuing capacity of government to master the challenges we face.
>
> Nowhere has the failure of government been more tragically apparent than
> in its efforts to help the poor and especially in its system of public
> welfare.
>
> TARGET: REFORMS
>
> Since taking office, one of my first priorities has been to repair the
> machinery of government, to put it in shape for the 1970's. I have made
> many changes designed to improve the functioning of the executive branch.
> And I have asked Congress for a number of important structural reforms;
> among others, a wide-ranging postal reform, a comprehensive reform of the
> draft, a reform of unemployment insurance, a reform of our hunger programs,
> a reform of the present confusing hodge-podge of Federal grants-in-aid.
>
> Last April 21, I sent Congress a message asking for a package of major tax
> reforms, including both the closing of loopholes and the removal of more
> than 2 million low-income families from the tax rolls altogether. I am glad
> that Congress is now acting on tax reform, and I hope the Congress will
> begin to act on the other reforms that I have requested.
>
> The purpose of all these reforms is to eliminate unfairness; to make
> government more effective as well as more efficient; and to bring an end to
> its chronic failure to deliver the service that it promises.
>
> My purpose tonight, however, is not to review the past record, but to
> present a new set of reforms—a new set of proposals—a new and drastically
> different approach to the way in which government cares for those in need,
> and to the way the responsibilities are shared between the State and the
> Federal Government.
>
> I have chosen to do so in a direct report to the people because these
> proposals call for public decisions of the first importance; because they
> represent a fundamental change in the Nation's approach to one of its most
> pressing social problems; and because, quite deliberately, they also
> represent the first major reversal of the trend toward ever more
> centralization of government in Washington, D.C. After a third of a century
> of power flowing from the people and the States to Washington it is time
> for a New Federalism in which power, funds, and responsibility will flow
> from Washington to the States and to the people.
>
> During last year's election campaign, I often made a point that touched a
> responsive chord wherever I traveled.
>
> I said that this Nation became great not because of what government did
> for people, but because of what people did for themselves.
>
> This new approach aims at helping the American people do more for
> themselves. It aims at getting everyone able to work off welfare rolls and
> onto payrolls.
>
> It aims at ending the unfairness in a system that has become unfair to the
> welfare recipient, unfair to the working poor, and unfair to the taxpayer.
>
> This new approach aims to make it possible for people—wherever in America
> they live—to receive their fair share of opportunity. It aims to ensure
> that people receiving aid, and who are able to work, contribute their fair
> share of productivity.
>
> This new approach is embodied in a package of four measures: First, a
> complete replacement of the present welfare system; second, a comprehensive
> new job training and placement program; third, a revamping of the Office of
> Economic Opportunity; and fourth, a start on the sharing of Federal tax
> revenues with the States.
>
> Next week in three messages to the Congress and one statement—I will spell
> out in detail what these measures contain. Tonight I want to explain what
> they mean, what they are intended to achieve, and how they are related.
>
>
>

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