I have a strange idea from current ambiance and connection with indonesia...
Basic income could be connected to agrarian reform. Usually agrarian refor don't give subsidies, but simply redistribute assets to small actors, the farmers, who can exploit them. if robots take all our manual jobs, except a few "winner take all" for stars (I am not so convinced there will be only winner take all jobs, since "street corner" creativity and service will grow), then a good solution could be to distribute robots, capital, to the population. the current evolution of the society seems to go to massive self entrepreneur, like it is in emerging countries (India, Indonesia), with a very dynamic unstructures local economy. In western countries this moves is expressed with collaborative economy which is simply normal business with cheap entry cost and self entrepreneurship. see AirBnb, Blablacar, E-bay, Leboncoin (fr), Uber, ... I see the end of big corps replaced by a mesh of independent talents, independent local creativity, independent local services... in fact replaced but transformed into exchange platforms like amazon,uber, blablacar... this is why I am not afraid of the disapearance of salary. the robot will do work that will thus be cheap. If the don't do it for cheap, then people who will get the money will be the investors. today it is tycoon and retired people who get money from the capital. maybe the solution is to force people to be capitalist ;-) De soto https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/d/desoto-capital.html explaisn what I have observed, that even poor people have capital, and can access capital. Capital can be the land, the rooms, the moped, the car, a cooking stove, knowledge in cooking, human network in another city, frequent travel to a place... In new economie there is a winner take all tendency, but also a "glory never last long" phenomenon. google take over MS who was over taken by apple, who are taken by microsoft. nokia had glory, replace by apple, then samsung, then huawei and motorola... it is a change for people , especially in EU, that like football player you can be rich but improbably, and for a short time... anyway with few, with luck, with work, you can run a good business around your street, provided you exploit your assets, instead of any exceptional talent. I imagine also that soon like in showbusiness, there will be a handful of stars, but a crowd of local players, proposing normal service, helped by a global winner take all temporarily platform like amazon, you will buy your jewelry designed by a neigbours from amazon, restaurant nearby sold under the hat of pizaa hut... question is to spread capital and entrepreneur competence, not teh ability to fill a tax declaration and manage a lawyer, but simply find ideas, accept failures, hear the clients, the market... undeducated people do it very well, so forget about school unequality. the less competent will have to find a job for someone else, and they will learn by doing. 2014-12-10 7:14 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com>: > Yes, Craig I agree with that the unemployment scare has been their through > every step of the way. However, it has been right from the point of view > that the old job disappeared and new more interesting jobs was created. > I do not agree with that you compare this to any unrealized science > problem. No, it is a problem that will be solved the revolutionary or the > evolutionary way. > I do not think it is some Robin Hood job required. We already have very > large transfer of money from the more well situated. Regardless of the > format that will continue. Perhaps less in the US or Europe. However, we > will be forced (or will find a smart solution) to let all people came to a > more equal living standard. > In 'the good old times' there where no federal taxes and state taxes were > in the single digits. That was before the steam engine and the Otto motor > and soooooooo long before LENR. There are new times. We need to accept > that. To keep all people less fortunate because they were not born in a > country like the US or Europe could have worked before Gutenberg but not in > the internet era. Now most countries adopt to new technologies but struggle > to bring along an older generation in to a new world (see China or India). > A generation or two ahead we need to have this problem resolved even if > there is no realization of that problem today. > There are good signs: > 1. We can produce enough food to feed everyone. > 2. We can get water to everyone there is no shortage although a question > of quality. > 3. New very effective building concepts are coming to the market daily and > we can get people roof over their head without much sacrifice. > 5. LENR would fix 2 above and eliminate all the problems with oil and gas > as the primary source for energy I.E political, geographical, religious, > economical etc. > This is a very simple but realistic solution. > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com > lenn...@thornros.com > +1 916 436 1899 > 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 > > “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a > commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Craig Haynie <cchayniepub...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You have a prediction that there will be a high rate of unemployment, but >> these sorts of predictions started in the late 1800s with the expansion of >> industry. Now you're proposing a solution for this prediction, and believe >> that any opposition to this solution "does not make sense." But you >> wouldn't try to solve any other problem in this way. You wouldn't take a >> prediction based on loose science, and try to solve a problem which does >> not yet exist. Moreover, your solution requires taking money from people >> without their consent. So there is no way that someone opposed to your >> prediction, and your solution, could opt-out. I sympathize with your desire >> to try to solve an unrealized problem, but ask that you do not include >> those who disagree with your assessment of the problem, and your proposed >> solution. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> On 12/09/2014 06:06 PM, a.ashfield wrote: >> >>> I have been writing about the coming high rate of permanent unemployment >>> that I expect. An unconditional income to everyone is one the few ideas >>> that shows promise. I was surprised to see that a large experiment has >>> actually been carried out in India and the results are fascinating. >>> Whether that will apply to a more developed country remains to be seen. >>> Switzerland voted it down quite recently. I expect the major difficulty >>> here to try it would be the GOP, but logically that does not make sense. >>> >>> Thanks for linking the video. >>> >>> Adrian Ashfield >>> >> >> >
