http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/science/space/a-black-hole-mystery-wrapped-in-a-firewall-paradox.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

A Black Hole Mystery Wrapped in a Firewall Paradox


On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 12:11 AM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> You make a good point that the guy approaching the black hole would see
> everything located outside of its gravitational influence as being sped up
> immensely.  Also, it makes sense that he would be fried by the incoming
> radiation from the orbiting sun if he is moving at a moderate velocity
> compared to the speed of light.
>
> It is not quite as clear about what will occur if the guy takes a path
> directly toward the black hole in his ship since it would accelerate very
> rapidly as it gains energy from the field.  A form of race condition might
> exist as he speeds up along with the incoming light chasing him.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: John Berry <[email protected]>
> To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 18, 2014 7:12 pm
> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market
>
>  Some of that went over my head, at least with a single reading.
>
>  But the Pound-Rebka experiment shows that such red and blue shifting
> from light entering and leaving a gravitationally time dilated area does
> occur, this means that any object that began to fall into a black hole
> would not only see the outside universe speed up, but it would see the
> frequencies and energies increase also.
> And the same would by default occur if the time accelerating field acted
> on everything in the area (which I think you are suggesting isn't the case).
>
>  If you fell into a black hole that was orbiting a sun, you would see the
> light output of the sun grow and grow as the frequency spectrum of the
> light would also be shifted, you would encounter for instance 10,000 years
> of light in 1 hour and frequencies would be stepped up by the same amount,
> which is to say frequencies would have a multiplier of 86,400,000
> (10,000*365*24)!
>
>  An object falling into an intense gravity field such as a black hole
> would surely explode and become radioactive under such insanely intense
> bombardment.
>
>  Indeed this would possibly lead to the creation of all sorts of exotic
> particles as collisions would involve so much energy as to be out of this
> world.
>
>  If you are proposing a form of time dilation that only effects the gas,
> then we must still consider the radioactive decay the gas undergoes, it
> must be effected also just as the atom that released it was.
>
>  John
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>  John,  most of the “time” dilation would be accompanied by Lorentzian
>> dilation of equally large magnitude [contraction is indicative of spatial
>> displacement on what remains the “time” axis from our perspective]– just as
>> a “deep enough gravity well” can create relativistic effects for objects at
>> the bottom, I am saying a time dilation reactor would create a “tall enough
>> gravity hill”  to generate time dilations in the opposite direction wrt a
>> black hole but both are based on equivalent acceleration [positive vs
>> negative]. IMHO the spectrum shifted black light that Mills named his
>> company after is somehow related to time dilation of plasma inside the
>> skeletal catalyst Rayney nickel. So far time dilation has only been noticed
>> occasionally wrt radioactive gas but IMHO all the hydrogen being
>> fractionalized by the powder is actually being aged rapidly and it is the
>> difference in these aging profiles that we call dynamic Casimir effect
>> [DCE].  it simply awaits for these “passive” effects to become more robust
>> [Shawyer’s device?] for the relativistic effects to jump out at us.
>>
>> I also have a suspicion that nature has a built in shield with respect to
>> light and dilation – the fact that measured dilation of a  laser between
>> Casimir plates has always been at trivial levels while measureable levels
>> of dilation occur to radioactive gases makes me think the random motion of
>> gas is needed to “make the turn” made available by Casimir effect such that
>> gas can “turn” further and further onto a temporal become spatial vector
>> which allows Casimir effect to compound while the laser beam is locked into
>> a trajectory straight across the mouth never able to dive down into the bay.
>> Fran
>>
>> *From:* John Berry [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:29 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market
>>
>>  You are going to also need some amazing shields to deal with 10,000
>> years of radioactive decay in just an hour.
>>
>>  Actually many problems exist if we assume an accelerated passage of
>> time were possible, as the frequency of all radiation would be upshifted in
>> frequency by the same amount!
>>
>>  So you might just destroy the planet if you create 10,000 years worth
>> of gamma radiation that now has an extremely upshifted frequency and energy
>> And what about the particle decay which is now moving with such an energy?
>>
>>  That's a bit problematical.
>>
>>  John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Roarty, Francis X <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>  Jed,
>>                I do have a more imaginative solution for radioactive
>> waste, cycle it through a reactor that ages it 10,000 years relative to one
>> hour outside the reactor.. I think this sort of time dilation is going to
>> become a side effect of LENR that can be optimized. It occurs already
>> according to claims of anomalous decay in radioactive gases but such claims
>> are a passive effect of catalyst nano geometry, IMHO the claims by Shawyer
>> are more interesting, if correct and optimized it represents an active
>> system where we can combine microwave energy with macro scale geometry to
>> dilate larger regions..I suspect this is why Shawyer is presenting his
>> technology as being “relativistic” in nature. He is unbalancing the spatial
>> and temporal phase inside his trapezoid with standing waves  relative to
>> outside his device such that any linked forces between these inertial
>> frames can transpose time for space and unbalance the equal and opposite
>> action – reactions. He is focused on thrust but at a root level he is
>> pushing or pulling between two slightly different phases of space-time to
>> create motion. This still all hangs precariously on the Naudts theory where
>> hydrogen ATOMS loaded into a catalyst sitting on a lab bench can be
>> considered relativistic – without near C spatial displacement – supposition
>> being that the region the atom travels thru is warped/negative gravity
>> well/depleted of virtual particle density just the opposite of the density
>> approaching C or sitting at the bottom of a large gravity well like a black
>> hole.
>> Fran
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:[email protected]]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market
>>
>>   Roarty, Francis X <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  $55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to
>> bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR?
>>
>>
>>  I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is
>> caused by fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and
>> increased supplies of both oil and natural gas.
>>
>>  The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that
>> it is likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a
>> barrel. That is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It
>> will never rise again.
>>
>>  Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative
>> $10 per barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people
>> will pay you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the
>> oil, which will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a
>> few other purposes.
>>
>>  I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2,
>> and pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon
>> concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump
>> it underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars
>> have no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we
>> should do with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear
>> reactors. The notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on
>> earth and protect it for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative.
>> It is silly. This is a problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren
>> to fix. They will be able to do it more easily than we can. It will be a
>> minor expense for them. Some problems are best left for posterity to fix.
>>
>>  - Jed
>>
>>
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