No, he wouldn't need to be moving at a significant velocity of the speed of light at immense gravity creates extreme time dilation.
But you do bring up a good point about the danger of moving at superluminal velocities, IF not for the fact that time dilation from moving near light speed is a relativistic effect which means that it applies to both frames and doesn't in accordance to the paradox. So let's put that one aside. But the doppler shift in frequency would be very valid, it would change the energy of particles and photons such that indeed gamma rays would be seen to be constantly attacking the front of the ship. Indeed the amount of light encountered would also be increased. John On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:11 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > > John, > > You make a good point that the guy approaching the black hole would see > everything located outside of its gravitational influence as being sped up > immensely. Also, it makes sense that he would be fried by the incoming > radiation from the orbiting sun if he is moving at a moderate velocity > compared to the speed of light. > > It is not quite as clear about what will occur if the guy takes a path > directly toward the black hole in his ship since it would accelerate very > rapidly as it gains energy from the field. A form of race condition might > exist as he speeds up along with the incoming light chasing him. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Thu, Dec 18, 2014 7:12 pm > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market > > Some of that went over my head, at least with a single reading. > > But the Pound-Rebka experiment shows that such red and blue shifting > from light entering and leaving a gravitationally time dilated area does > occur, this means that any object that began to fall into a black hole > would not only see the outside universe speed up, but it would see the > frequencies and energies increase also. > And the same would by default occur if the time accelerating field acted > on everything in the area (which I think you are suggesting isn't the case). > > If you fell into a black hole that was orbiting a sun, you would see the > light output of the sun grow and grow as the frequency spectrum of the > light would also be shifted, you would encounter for instance 10,000 years > of light in 1 hour and frequencies would be stepped up by the same amount, > which is to say frequencies would have a multiplier of 86,400,000 > (10,000*365*24)! > > An object falling into an intense gravity field such as a black hole > would surely explode and become radioactive under such insanely intense > bombardment. > > Indeed this would possibly lead to the creation of all sorts of exotic > particles as collisions would involve so much energy as to be out of this > world. > > If you are proposing a form of time dilation that only effects the gas, > then we must still consider the radioactive decay the gas undergoes, it > must be effected also just as the atom that released it was. > > John > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Roarty, Francis X < > francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> >> John, most of the “time” dilation would be accompanied by Lorentzian >> dilation of equally large magnitude [contraction is indicative of spatial >> displacement on what remains the “time” axis from our perspective]– just as >> a “deep enough gravity well” can create relativistic effects for objects at >> the bottom, I am saying a time dilation reactor would create a “tall enough >> gravity hill” to generate time dilations in the opposite direction wrt a >> black hole but both are based on equivalent acceleration [positive vs >> negative]. IMHO the spectrum shifted black light that Mills named his >> company after is somehow related to time dilation of plasma inside the >> skeletal catalyst Rayney nickel. So far time dilation has only been noticed >> occasionally wrt radioactive gas but IMHO all the hydrogen being >> fractionalized by the powder is actually being aged rapidly and it is the >> difference in these aging profiles that we call dynamic Casimir effect >> [DCE]. it simply awaits for these “passive” effects to become more robust >> [Shawyer’s device?] for the relativistic effects to jump out at us. >> >> I also have a suspicion that nature has a built in shield with respect to >> light and dilation – the fact that measured dilation of a laser between >> Casimir plates has always been at trivial levels while measureable levels >> of dilation occur to radioactive gases makes me think the random motion of >> gas is needed to “make the turn” made available by Casimir effect such that >> gas can “turn” further and further onto a temporal become spatial vector >> which allows Casimir effect to compound while the laser beam is locked into >> a trajectory straight across the mouth never able to dive down into the bay. >> Fran >> >> *From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:29 PM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market >> >> You are going to also need some amazing shields to deal with 10,000 >> years of radioactive decay in just an hour. >> >> Actually many problems exist if we assume an accelerated passage of >> time were possible, as the frequency of all radiation would be upshifted in >> frequency by the same amount! >> >> So you might just destroy the planet if you create 10,000 years worth >> of gamma radiation that now has an extremely upshifted frequency and energy >> And what about the particle decay which is now moving with such an energy? >> >> That's a bit problematical. >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Roarty, Francis X < >> francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> Jed, >> I do have a more imaginative solution for radioactive >> waste, cycle it through a reactor that ages it 10,000 years relative to one >> hour outside the reactor.. I think this sort of time dilation is going to >> become a side effect of LENR that can be optimized. It occurs already >> according to claims of anomalous decay in radioactive gases but such claims >> are a passive effect of catalyst nano geometry, IMHO the claims by Shawyer >> are more interesting, if correct and optimized it represents an active >> system where we can combine microwave energy with macro scale geometry to >> dilate larger regions..I suspect this is why Shawyer is presenting his >> technology as being “relativistic” in nature. He is unbalancing the spatial >> and temporal phase inside his trapezoid with standing waves relative to >> outside his device such that any linked forces between these inertial >> frames can transpose time for space and unbalance the equal and opposite >> action – reactions. He is focused on thrust but at a root level he is >> pushing or pulling between two slightly different phases of space-time to >> create motion. This still all hangs precariously on the Naudts theory where >> hydrogen ATOMS loaded into a catalyst sitting on a lab bench can be >> considered relativistic – without near C spatial displacement – supposition >> being that the region the atom travels thru is warped/negative gravity >> well/depleted of virtual particle density just the opposite of the density >> approaching C or sitting at the bottom of a large gravity well like a black >> hole. >> Fran >> >> >> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 PM >> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market >> >> Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: >> >> >> $55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to >> bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR? >> >> >> I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is >> caused by fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and >> increased supplies of both oil and natural gas. >> >> The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that >> it is likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a >> barrel. That is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It >> will never rise again. >> >> Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative >> $10 per barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people >> will pay you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the >> oil, which will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a >> few other purposes. >> >> I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2, >> and pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon >> concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump >> it underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars >> have no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we >> should do with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear >> reactors. The notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on >> earth and protect it for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative. >> It is silly. This is a problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren >> to fix. They will be able to do it more easily than we can. It will be a >> minor expense for them. Some problems are best left for posterity to fix. >> >> - Jed >> >> >
