I agree actually, I have two on pressure jet helicopters -- useless except they look good on my resume, so I guess that's a + :-) .
But my question was: Can a court in any country demand disclosure of trade secrets by subpoena or otherwise in pursuit of a patent infringement case? ( Thinking about it, I guess a court could subpoena anything it wants. ). Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Patent question Forget about patents. They are as obsolete as the pony-express. I have been involved on both sides. The winner is always the one with better financial support. In a few cases persistence has paid off. As an example a company has requested a patent for push button making two separate events start independently of each other. It should have been denied as just basic engineering. However, making claims of using special materials probably fooled the examiner at USPTO. I was sued for infringement. It cost $50,000 just to show it was invalid. Yes, I understand that one could have read the patent application and protested so the patent never became a reality, if one has the time to read all new applications. The only guys who won was the attorneys. They probably collected a couple of hundred thousand dollars. The patent still is valid. I could not afford to invalidate it. It was enough to just get out of the lawsuit. Hoyt I think your example is good enough to show the opposite situation. I assume AR has better financial backing than Piantelli. Then the outcome is given and you now who will benefit. Trade secrets are way better protection than patent and they are cheaper Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. <hoyt-stea...@cox.net> wrote: Question about trade secrets and patent enforcement: How does a patent holder enforce his patents when a device with trade secrets is by definition unavailable for examination, especially if the device is leased and reverse engineering is forbidden? As an example, Piantelli has a nickel-hydrogen patent. How could he enforce that against Rossi if what's inside a Rossi device is a secret? Does a court have the power to force disclosure? Just curious. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale Arizona US _____ <http://www.avast.com/> Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
