Its very hard to see how a single flake can transform between a planar atomic 
crystal state and ultra dense linear paired vortex. But perhaps there is a 
mechanism based on energetic and state conservation effects.
Assuming the effect is more classical and simple however could the switch 
between planar and UDD form be explained by first having a stack of flakes in 
the form of a nano wire?:
Do we know how the Winterberg stack of Rydberg matter flakes forms. Does he 
have a theory for this? Is it just a consequence of the planar nature of the 
Rydberg matter it self or is there a kind of dipole magnetic effect between the 
flakes that can cause the flakes to align and stack in this way to form a 
Rydberg nanowire? 
I know I'm being very speculative here, but I wonder if a stack of Rydberg 
matter flakes (h(1) or (d1)) each made up with of magnetically aligned atoms, 
between the flakes, could under the right stimulation (such as a strong 
magnetic field or SPP) switch to a bunch of columns of Ultra dense matter (h(0) 
or (d0)) with each pair of atoms in the column coming from adjacent flakes. For 
example if each flake had 50 or so atoms could a stack of them switch to form 
50 or maybe 25 Ultra dense vortexes.
Perhaps this is too speculative I'm sure its possible to come up with any 
number of ideas. I suppose we would first need evidence of the Winterberg stack 
occurring before speculating on these lines.
Would a Winterberg type stack have any observable signature such as emission 
spectra etc?

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:07:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vo]: How many atoms to make condensed matter?
From: rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Ordinary Rydberg matter is NOT a "nanowire", the Rydberg atomic clusters 
comprising X(1) are flat hexagonal pico-snoflakes.  In this X(1) 
pico-snowflake, the matter is not dense - the atomic spacing is nearly twice 
what it is in an ordinary molecule.  Winterberg proposes that the snowflakes 
can stack into columns but I have not seen evidence of this reported.  Holmlid 
proposes that the ultra-dense form of deuterium D(-1)=D(0) is sort of a two 
atom tube, but there is no evidence of this form either.  As far as I can tell, 
the pico-snowflake form of X(1) RM is well reproduced, modeled and confirmed.  
The ultra-dense form is just speculation, and even the existence of the 
ultra-dense RM itself is on extremely shaky, un-reproduced ground.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rydberg matter is a nanowire. This is a nanoparticle. The shape of Rydberg 
matter is important. It acts as an antenna that transmits magnetic power with 
each flack of the nanowire sending magnetic power to the tip of the particle. 
If there are 10,000 levels, then these 10,000 flacks produce magnetic power 
sent to the nanowire tip. This mechanism is an EMF amplification mechanism. 
This mechanism has been experimentally verified and I have shown fluorescent 
micrograph pictures of this process here multiple times.  
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Jones, your description below about metallic hydrogen stimulates me to wonder 
about atoms, molecules, particles, and condensed matter.  Obviously a single 
atom of H is not metallic hydrogen.  A single molecule of hydrogen is more 
"dense" than the H/D(1) species of Rydberg matter.  I don't think anyone would 
categorize an ordinary H2 molecule as metallic or condensed matter. The X(1) 
species of Rydberg matter is shown to exist in particular for H/D and the 
alkali metals having commonly 7 or more atoms.  Are these Rydberg clusters 
better described as large molecules?  A small particle of metal? Generalized 
condensed matter?  How do you ascribe mass density to something only one atomic 
layer thick?  It is interesting to consider.
The Rydberg matter "snowflakes" called X(1), where X is usually an alkali 
metal, are called Rydberg because the electron orbitals are highly excited 
Rydberg states in high order flattened (nearly planar) orbitals.  The nuclear 
separation of H(1) is bigger than that for the H2 molecule.  Existence for X(1) 
Rydberg matter particles (clusters, molecules) is well reproduced, modeled, 
measured, and is utilized by many based on the well described characteristics 
of the snowflakes obtained, in a large part, from rotational spectroscopy.
The existence of Holmlid's ultra-dense form is not reproduced, and what form it 
might take is completely speculative.  The evidence for it appears to be solely 
from the accelerated species found in supposed Coulomb Explosion (CE).  Why is 
this species not be examined by conventional rotational spectroscopy, as has 
been used to verify the existence of the X(1) Rydberg matter?  I would think 
that the comprising atoms could NOT be in a DDL state, because if they were, 
they would not be susceptible to photonic ionization (DDL states are supposed 
to have too little angular momentum to form a photon), which Holmlid claims 
causes CE and is his basis for the existence of the D(-1) / D(0) state of 
matter in the first place.  Since the D(-1)=D(0) matter is supposedly 
susceptible to photo-ionization and CE, it seems like it should also be 
detectable in a rotational spectrum.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Fran - The only way Holmlid’s claims make sense is that the dense hydrogen he 
describes is a more stable phase of hydrogen than metallic hydrogen. This means 
it is a phase or isomer which does not require extreme containment. For 
instance, we know that alloys with alkali metals will lower the pressure 
requirements for metallic hydrogen by 400%. In the case of the Holmlid phase, 
which I still call DDL until it is shown to be different, the species could be 
stable without any pressure or with slight containment.



                                          

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