Well, they responded fast. They will send me an invoice later this day. Lead time will be six weeks. I will wait for their email. Op 11 dec. 2015 11:29 schreef "Esa Ruoho" <esaru...@gmail.com>:
> I think I haven't seen a screenshot of someone receiving an email yet.. > > Also, no info about shipping from ADGEX ELFE orders either. > > On 11 December 2015 at 11:26, Marcus Winckers <marcki...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Morning Esa, >> Did you hear from others that they ordered or received an invoice? >> I got my emails from them to wait for further instructions, but heard >> nothing since Monday. >> Marcus >> Op 9 dec. 2015 07:06 schreef "Esa Ruoho" <esaru...@gmail.com>: >> >> Hi Marcus! Sure! >>> >>> I know at least two organizations who are going to purchase one. One is >>> in Australia, and another is in Finland. The Finns have a crowdfund >>> project. >>> https://mesenaatti.me/en/steornin-ikiliikkujatekniikan-tutkimusprojekti/ >>> <- >>> I'm trying to get in to record the electromagnetic fields + activities >>> of both of the devices, the Ocube and the Ophone. I hope they'll sound >>> juicy enough to be made electronic music out of. >>> >>> >>> On 2 December 2015 at 16:14, Marcus Winckers <marcki...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Esa, >>>> >>>> I see that you, like me, are interested in the Cube. I am planning >>>> on buying one later in the day if possible. My christmass present for >>>> myself. Shall we keep in touch and exchange thoughts and experiences? >>>> >>>> Marcus Winckers >>>> Utrecht >>>> Netherlands. >>>> Op 29 okt. 2015 07:38 schreef "Esa Ruoho" <esaru...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> If you guys like the internets more, the transcript is mirrored here: >>>>> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 29 October 2015 at 02:17, Esa Ruoho <esaru...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, here's my transcript of the Orbo Steorn Webinar broadcast on the >>>>>> 28th October 2015. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you use any of it, please credit accordingly. >>>>>> the video is at http://orbo.com/ >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat: Welcome to the Orbo Webinar. We're here today to introduce you >>>>>> to the first Orbo product, the O-Cube. Orbo is a highly controversial >>>>>> technology ... (Shaun places the O-Cube on the table) ..and we're going >>>>>> to >>>>>> demonstrate the functionality of the O-Cube. Before we do that, however, >>>>>> we >>>>>> want to just give you a brief flavour of who we are and the journey that >>>>>> we've taken over the last fifteen years. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Shaun: So, twelve and a half years ago, yeah? Tell me, how on earth, >>>>>> you got into this crazy company. >>>>>> Pat: The beginning's actually going back fourteen years ago, because, >>>>>> what happened was, in 2001, I was looking to evaluate a particular piece >>>>>> of >>>>>> technology, nothing to do with Steorn.. And, I didn't know how to >>>>>> evaluate >>>>>> it, and I made a number of calls, and I was put in contact with >>>>>> yourselves. >>>>>> So, I met Mike and yourself in 2001 and you looked at the proposition, >>>>>> the >>>>>> technology we're looking at, and you evaluated it and you said look, >>>>>> listen, this is not, you know, something to look at.. so, that was the >>>>>> way >>>>>> it was left. And, I went to meet you then in April 2004 and the purpose >>>>>> of >>>>>> that conversation was.. ahm.. >>>>>> Shaun: "Where's me fucking money" (laughs) >>>>>> Pat: Well, it wasn't, it wasn't even at that, because I knew, like, >>>>>> the proposition for what is.. But the point you were putting to me, was >>>>>> you >>>>>> said, "Look, we're looking for a venture capital..".. you said to me, >>>>>> first >>>>>> of all, you said to me, "I'm looking for a VC company", and what I did >>>>>> was.. I.. The first thing I did probably before I even looked beyond them >>>>>> was, I got a friend of mine who's a, you know, he's an engineer and I got >>>>>> him to go in and spend some time with yourself and Mike and to evaluate >>>>>> what it was. And.. I can remember walking out of Fumberly Court as it was >>>>>> on a Friday afternoon and.. the two of yous were walking along side by >>>>>> side.. I said "What you think?" and he just said "Can I invest?". And it >>>>>> was, it was kind of like that, and I said "Are you serious?" and he said, >>>>>> "Pat, If this is right" he said, "This is gonna to be very very serious." >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Mike: So Shaun, looking a bit tired.. Understandable. Ten years >>>>>> defending your claims and yourself. Ahm, give us a little bit of >>>>>> background >>>>>> about Steorn, for a bit, new people tuning in today. >>>>>> Shaun: Steorn was a company that you and me founded, Mike. Back in >>>>>> 2000, and we started doing project management.. We were in the world of >>>>>> fruit, a lot of bananas. And then we started developing technology for >>>>>> others, as you know, that's when we developed forensic systems for >>>>>> companies like Microsoft and credit card companies, and we did expert >>>>>> witnessing, in, fraud.. >>>>>> Mike: (interrupts) So you get on.. >>>>>> Shaun: And then one day.. >>>>>> Mike: (interrupts) And then one day you're sitting there at your >>>>>> desk, magnets spinning around, and you decide: "I need an ad in the >>>>>> Economist". >>>>>> Shaun: One day we made a discovery, whatever you gonna call it, a >>>>>> mistake, depending on where you sit, where we went, yeah, look.. >>>>>> We can get more energy out of these bizarre magnetic fields than >>>>>> we're putting in, isn't that really cool? And wouldn't it be great to >>>>>> build >>>>>> something that uses this, put it in the market, and hopefully make a lot >>>>>> of >>>>>> money. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Alex?: When I saw yous guys coming in, and meeting up after work, I >>>>>> realized that yous were doing a lot of brainstorming, and once I, you >>>>>> know, >>>>>> I didn't really know much about it, because I kept hearing the name >>>>>> Steorn, >>>>>> and I didn't really know how to pronounce it or anything like that, but I >>>>>> realized that yous were doing some interesting stuff, but it's been >>>>>> enjoyable seeing the progression over the years, and, you know, we're >>>>>> really, really really interested in what's going on, ahm, you know.. >>>>>> Shaun: And you.. You see all the lads from Steorn, outside and about, >>>>>> in and out of there, these lads that just (heard) about every provocation >>>>>> and word and insult in the world, they're called conman, scam-artist, and >>>>>> so on, you've seen them at their most vulnerable. Honestly what do you >>>>>> think of them? >>>>>> Alex?: I've never seen them worry, I've never seen them. I like >>>>>> them, genuinely like, I know yous all, right down to Max, I've played >>>>>> poker >>>>>> with so many of yous, we've shared so many late nights, and I remember >>>>>> telling my friends, you know, we're also in business, and I said, this >>>>>> guy >>>>>> doing mad stuff with magnets, like, you know, and yeah.. Yous are >>>>>> operating >>>>>> in, you know, this crazy environment, and, when we, you know, when we >>>>>> eventually -- when you actually turned around and said that we could have >>>>>> one of these boxes in the pub for a while, I mean, I was just cackahoop >>>>>> when I saw.. When I heard that, and I mean, you know, not.. Partly I was >>>>>> wondering what the hell it is, but the other part of it is just really >>>>>> really interested at being involved with something so revolutionary.. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shaun: Ok, Pat, so, you have hustled twenty odd million, and went to >>>>>> private investors around Ireland, and that started twelve years ago, >>>>>> yeah? >>>>>> In that twelve years the company has failed, and failed again, and failed >>>>>> again and failed again. And Pat Corbett has raised money again, raised >>>>>> money again and raised money again. What the fuck? >>>>>> Pat: (pause) Ahm, see that's that word, failure, you see. Look.. You >>>>>> know.. We haven't.. >>>>>> Shaun: Failed. Failed with the jury, failed with the London demo, >>>>>> failed to ever show anything convincing to anybody, failed to put a >>>>>> product >>>>>> in the market. Twelve years of failure, Pat's driving around the country, >>>>>> taking money from people. >>>>>> Pat: Yeah, as it was, if you look at it like that, if you're looking >>>>>> at it from the outside in, Shaun, that's that's, that's what it is, it's >>>>>> failure, you know. People, you know, and.. And right now, you know >>>>>> (what) I >>>>>> mean, and over the years, there is that, there's a huge level of fear and >>>>>> nervousness among the shareholders. >>>>>> Shaun: How does Pat know, Corbett know that it'll work? >>>>>> Pat: (pause) Pat Corbett has always known that it works. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) No no, how does Pat Corbett know that the >>>>>> Powercube will work? >>>>>> Pat: (pause) The only reason Pat can say based on.. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) a great pause, that's - fucking aye, that was the >>>>>> money shot.. go-on (laughs) >>>>>> Pat: The only way Pat.. Pat has had one of the, one of the original >>>>>> Powercubes that he had basically going around in his car for a month.. >>>>>> Shaun: Okay. >>>>>> Pat: Now, that worked for a month, that shouldn't happen. That did >>>>>> work. >>>>>> Shaun: Okay. >>>>>> Pat: So, like, in other words, all I can do, Shaun, is, as, all I can >>>>>> do, is say, alright, give the benefit of my knowledge and experience. I'm >>>>>> not a scientist, I'm never, like, I'm not an engineer. >>>>>> Shaun: For twenty odd million, yeah, where's it gone? >>>>>> Pat: The money has gone, in.. it's twelve years, so, like if you >>>>>> said, to run a business over twelve years, you know, that cost money, >>>>>> like >>>>>> we've spent a lot of money on equipment, we've spent a lot of money on >>>>>> papers, we've spent a lot of money on staff. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shaun: Let's say it all falls flat on it's face. If technology works, >>>>>> doesn't work, the whole thing goes wallop. Yeah? >>>>>> Pat: Yeah. >>>>>> Shaun: K? Where's Pat Corbett - where's Pat Corbett when he looks at >>>>>> his fucking two kids and his wife, and he goes, "I just wasted twelve >>>>>> years >>>>>> of my life, destroyed my reputation".. Where's Pat then? >>>>>> Pat: Ahm. It's not something I've actually thought about.. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) I'm asking you though. >>>>>> Pat: Yeah. The most important thing in my life is how my wife looks >>>>>> at me and how my two kids look at me. >>>>>> Shaun: Yep. >>>>>> Pat: That's it. >>>>>> Shaun: And if this goes tits up? >>>>>> Pat: Ahm.. (prolonged pause) The reason I feel like this.. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) Leave it.. No, don't.. >>>>>> Pat: (interrupts) No, no, this is relevant.. We're not leaving it. >>>>>> (pause) That emotion (pause) is to do with my wife and my kids. >>>>>> Shaun: Yep. >>>>>> Pat: It's nothing to do with this gone tits up. Ok? So. (inhales) Let >>>>>> me clarify that. Ok? Now. I can't tell you in a way that you will >>>>>> understand that I know this thing is not going to go belly up. I can't >>>>>> tell >>>>>> anybody, like, look, if somebody's looking at this, and they're saying, >>>>>> right. I'm just a person on the other end of the screen. And.. To sound >>>>>> like anything, you know, if you say somebody'll see this thing about you >>>>>> know, saying something, When you look, you know, and like.. All they're >>>>>> saying about everybody is that, the Henry Ford, Henry Ford said, you >>>>>> know I >>>>>> want the v8, they said, can't be done. Steorn, you know, creating a >>>>>> battery >>>>>> to recharge itself, can't be done. Okay? So, that's what people's.. But >>>>>> actually, I know, and that's what it is, Shaun, I know. And the very >>>>>> thing >>>>>> about all of the years, and let's forget about Shaun McCarthy for a >>>>>> second, >>>>>> and forget Mike Daily for a second. In all the years that basically I've >>>>>> been with Steorn, every single scientist or technologist that came in, >>>>>> into >>>>>> us, the first thing, what do I do? I build a relationship with them. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> it. You remember, d'you know, what you call it, two boys came in, >>>>>> represented the company from the Middle East, let's say, they came in, >>>>>> and >>>>>> they said, "But this works!" Well, of course it does, what did you think >>>>>> we'd do? Bring yous across for the day off, d'you know what I mean? So >>>>>> the >>>>>> thing about it, Shaun, is.. There's a question here, does it work? Yes it >>>>>> does work, you know. I think the real question is: can we turn this into >>>>>> something? >>>>>> Shaun: Yeah. >>>>>> Pat: That's the real question. But.. From the point of view of.. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) D'you ever quit? D'you ever give up on this. >>>>>> Pat: No, I won't. Because.. >>>>>> Shaun: (interrupts) Is there more fight left in you.. Twelve fucking >>>>>> years is a long time, any more fight left in Pat Corbett? >>>>>> Pat: Listen, my fight hasn't begun yet. I haven't started yet. >>>>>> Because this is not.. We've, we haven't had to fight (yet), we've only >>>>>> had >>>>>> to get over the first hurdle. This'll be the first hurdle. Look man, the >>>>>> fight hasn't started yet, when the fight does.. that's why.. As I'm >>>>>> saying >>>>>> to you, it hasn't begun yet. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> ?: I believe you had a t-shirt before, posted before, went something >>>>>> like CEO vs COE. >>>>>> Shaun: Mm-hmm. >>>>>> ?: Ahm, I think the score at the moment is 5-0 in favour of COE. >>>>>> D'you believe the CEO's going to win out this time? >>>>>> Shaun: I'm a Birminham fan. A 5-1 result is.. >>>>>> ?: So you're used to losing. >>>>>> Shaun: 5-1 result is considered a win. No. I, the truth of it is, >>>>>> yeah, in the promoting something that blatantly looks like horse-shit, is >>>>>> that you're going to get kicked around a lot. But, here's the other side >>>>>> of >>>>>> that coin: You only have to win once. And, yeah, well we've had obvious >>>>>> public failures and we've had obvious public disinterest in some of the >>>>>> stuff that we've done. I only have to win once. I can lose a hundred >>>>>> times, >>>>>> and win once. When I win once, we win. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Shaun: Ok, so what we're going to do now is discuss the actual >>>>>> product itself, this is what we call the O-Cube The O-Cube is a very >>>>>> simple >>>>>> device, it's a power-brick or a power-cube that has one single USB >>>>>> output. >>>>>> USB output is 2.1Amps, so it can charge tablets as well as smart-phones >>>>>> and >>>>>> other devices. In terms of the components inside, there's really only >>>>>> three >>>>>> things. There's a standard USB PCB interface electronics, there's a >>>>>> Lithium-Ion battery and then there's the Orbo powerpack. >>>>>> Shaun: And how it actually works is very very simple. When you plug a >>>>>> device into this, what you're doing is draining the energy in the >>>>>> Lithium-Ion battery. But the Orbo device, the Orbo device is constantly >>>>>> powering the battery, so there can be situations where you draw and >>>>>> completely drain the Lithium-Ion battery, but what will happen is that >>>>>> over >>>>>> time, that the Orbo device itself will recharge the battery. >>>>>> In terms of power output, you're looking at approximately two full >>>>>> smart-phone charges in the 24 hour period. (The O-Girl appears) Pat now >>>>>> will discuss the sales buys and terms of conditions, thank you O-Girl. >>>>>> Pat: The O-Cube goes on sale in December and is available only from >>>>>> Steorn. The cost price of this unit is 1200 euros, we're also offering a >>>>>> 12 >>>>>> month warranty return to base. >>>>>> Shaun: Ok, so, the way that we're demonstrating function here is that >>>>>> we're giving out the O-Cube to a variety of different people, and they >>>>>> will >>>>>> be reporting back on their day-to-day use of it, at each of the >>>>>> subsequent >>>>>> webinars. Pat, maybe you can tell us a couple of the people who are >>>>>> getting >>>>>> it, and obviously there'll be more, and, as the process goes on. >>>>>> Pat: Ok, the first of these companies is a company we've been working >>>>>> with for the last couple of months, a company called Rabbithole >>>>>> Promotions. >>>>>> This company works in the area of guerrilla marketing, and, (they're) >>>>>> very >>>>>> edgy in their approach and it's, we think it's a perfect fit for us. >>>>>> Shaun: Yeah, we think (that) they're going to do some really >>>>>> interesting, and unusual things with the Powercube in terms of their own >>>>>> day-to-day market and stuff. But we'll let them report back in the >>>>>> next webinar. >>>>>> Pat: Second company is a clothing company, also a Dublin-based >>>>>> company called Brickbear. Ahm, same as, these guys are into some very >>>>>> different type of clothing, and, we think there's.. there's a very nice >>>>>> fix >>>>>> as regards what the Powercube can produce for them on a day-to-day basis. >>>>>> Shaun: And while we do have a business relationship obviously with >>>>>> Rabbithole and Brickbear, gone to (there) myself and Pat sizes, but.. >>>>>> there's no actual formal relationship. One last thing that we should say >>>>>> is >>>>>> that while the O-Cube is the first commercially available product with >>>>>> Orbo, there's a lot of stuff that's happening behind the scenes with >>>>>> respect to commercial licensing and what we're going to do is play you a >>>>>> quick video of the first.. an interview with the founder of the first >>>>>> commercial licensee of Orbo, and we'll let him speak for himself about >>>>>> his >>>>>> business, and what they're doing with Orbo. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Liquid Solutions >>>>>> Killian McGrath (Founder): Liquid Solutions manufactures and >>>>>> distributes E-Juice products for the E-Cigarette industry. We manufacture >>>>>> them here in Waterford in our own facility, we do all the testing >>>>>> independently from outside the facility, and we produce a very high-grade >>>>>> product within this facility. We've the class to produce about a hundred >>>>>> thousand bottles a day, or five hundred thousand bottles a week, that's >>>>>> basically our production capacity. Yeah, the functions have gone really >>>>>> crazy, like when we started out first, we would've started out with a 650 >>>>>> milliamp battery. You know, a user would use that, in a day, you know and >>>>>> they would charge it again and they'd use it all over again the next day. >>>>>> They'd be using a head that would burn about one point six mills of >>>>>> juice a >>>>>> day. Now, four years forward, they're using heads that have 3 and 4 coils >>>>>> inside (of) them, they would burn four or five times juice with less >>>>>> nicotine, so, that's.. the trend is going there with the big vaporus, is >>>>>> they want less nicotine, and more puff, ok, so we're now starting to >>>>>> manufacture three milligram juice, whereas before, the weakest we done >>>>>> was >>>>>> six. Ok, now, three is the highest in the dripping, because they're >>>>>> taking >>>>>> in so much liquid to produce so much vapour, ok, they're still getting >>>>>> the >>>>>> amount of nicotine that they need, but they're burning about four times >>>>>> more juice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, you have, I suppose everybody and their mother after you >>>>>> really, if you think about it, because you know, the three big gorillas >>>>>> inside, you've got the tobacco companies we're doing a lot of damage to >>>>>> them. The E-Cig is doing so much damage to them now they wanna come in >>>>>> and >>>>>> take it over. Then you have the pharmaceutical guys, OK, the guys that >>>>>> are >>>>>> sitting in the background, they're like the little snipers, you know, >>>>>> they're pushing off press-releases, they're pushing out this just to >>>>>> discredit the product, why? Because nobody is buying patches, nobody's >>>>>> buying chewing gum, nobody is buying champax(?), OK, they've lost a whole >>>>>> industry, this product is taking over their industry, OK? >>>>>> >>>>>> Then you have the government side of it, the government is losing a >>>>>> lot of money from it, on the short side, because on the short side, >>>>>> they're >>>>>> losing revenue from taxes immediately, but on the long side, they would >>>>>> see >>>>>> the benefits of that in five or ten years, because they'll have less >>>>>> serious, I suppose carcinogenic-associated health problems, moving >>>>>> forward >>>>>> with the population. They will have less respiratory problems, because >>>>>> cigarettes are a huge cause of respiratory problems, in especially >>>>>> overweight people, and, people that are getting older in age. So the >>>>>> whole >>>>>> idea is that the British medical organization came out only a month ago >>>>>> and >>>>>> they said that if everybody in the UK gave up cigarettes and went on to >>>>>> electronic cigarettes, they would save 80,000 lives a year. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Liquid Solutions & Orbo >>>>>> Killian: In 2005 I would've went to a meeting in Steorn's offices in >>>>>> the Innovation Park in the Watlands(?) I would've sat down and listened >>>>>> to >>>>>> what the guys had found or were working on, and I would be that type of >>>>>> person, I would be very interested in stuff like that. New, something >>>>>> that's new, something that's cheeky and something that nobody else is >>>>>> doing. >>>>>> So yeah, I fell in love with the product, with the technology, and, >>>>>> yeah, that was 2005. 2006 you were making waves and you were moving >>>>>> along, >>>>>> then we all know what happened in 2007 and 2008, we had the big crash. >>>>>> Shaun: Fucking great, wasn't it! >>>>>> Killian: Yeah that was brilliant. We all had fun there! And I suppose >>>>>> when I started this project, Shaun, when I started three and a half years >>>>>> ago with Wicked E-Juice and making the juices, and then I kind of got a >>>>>> brain-wave one day and I said "Hmm, maybe we can get a battery from >>>>>> Steorn >>>>>> that we don't need to charge". And that's what started this whole >>>>>> project. >>>>>> But they're looking at today, they've gone up to 3,5 thousand >>>>>> milliamp unit, with a .2 warm head(?), up to 50 watt, now 100 watt, I was >>>>>> in England yesterday and I saw my first 300 watt battery (laughs), so, >>>>>> it's >>>>>> gone totally to the other side, it's gone to the total other extreme, >>>>>> whether that's going to stay going that way, or it's a fad and it'll >>>>>> eventually come back down to fairly standard products where you're using >>>>>> a >>>>>> 20 watt product or a 10 watt product which is roughly around 9 volts, 8 >>>>>> volts.. >>>>>> Killian: Ahh.. No frustration. Little bit behind the times, but you >>>>>> know, it's not a lollypop we're making here. You know what I mean? We're >>>>>> breaking new ground here. This has never ever been done before. You know, >>>>>> this is bigger than big, you know, this is bigger than the biggest thing >>>>>> that's going on in the world today, only for people don't know about us, >>>>>> and that's our job, our job is to get the products out there so people do >>>>>> know about us. >>>>>> We're Henry Ford with the Model T. That's where we are today. In ten >>>>>> years time, we may be Ferrari, you know, doing three hundred miles an >>>>>> hour, >>>>>> instead of ten miles an hour. That's all engineering challenges. To come >>>>>> over the next ten years, but that's where this product is going to go. >>>>>> This >>>>>> is only the beginning, we're only at the beginning, we're only scratching >>>>>> the surface where we are with this technology today. Where will we be in >>>>>> ten or thirty years of time.. >>>>>> God only knows. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Shaun: So, I wanna pretty much thank everybody for taking the time to >>>>>> watch this video, ahm, I know there's probably a lot in it, an awful lot >>>>>> of >>>>>> questions that people about the technology, does it work, how it works, >>>>>> and >>>>>> so on, let me be clear. We're not getting into any technical details at >>>>>> this stage. But what we'll be doing is hearing from the guys who are >>>>>> using >>>>>> it. The next webinar we'll announce the date of it, early next week, >>>>>> we'll >>>>>> also in the next webinar be showing you some of the other products that >>>>>> are >>>>>> in the pipeline, we're showing some of the R&D stuff with respect to >>>>>> where >>>>>> does the Orbo battery go after the Powercube, and it will be obviously in >>>>>> mobile consumer electronics, so, all I'm saying, again, thanks very much >>>>>> from meself and Pat, we look forward to seeing you next time. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Transcript by Esa Ruoho / http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/ / >>>>>> esaru...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho >>>>> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --- >>> http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // >>> +358403703659 // >>> skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: >>> esaru...@gmail.com // >>> >> > > > -- > --- > http://twitter.com/esaruoho // http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // > +358403703659 // > skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage: > esaru...@gmail.com // >
