For what its worth, I agree with the implication David has made relative to fast protons or alphas. My experience is that any fast charged particles creates x-rays which would be observed and correlated with the ejection of electrons from the inner electron shells of atoms. Also, if there are no fast neutrons, it is unlikely that one would expect to observe fast charged particles nor gammas, since they would likely be born from a nuclear transmutation. The Be-8 decay may be an exception. In addition, if the LENR reactions take place in a coherent system of significant size, the probability of the production of high kinetic energy particles may be low compared to the distribution of energy in many small amounts and/or directly as phonic energy of a lattice being part of a coherent system.
Nevertheless, I agree with Eric that looking for fast charged particles should be accomplished and will be as more money is applied. As I have suggested before, I believe that the US, for example, DOE, NASA and the DOD have already spent a good deal on LENR R&D and probably know the answers to these questions. It is a shame that the government does not take action like it did in the 1950’s to follow up with a civilian demonstration project analogous to the Shippingport Reactor Project based on light water reactor R&D accomplished by the Naval Reactors organization. Bob Cook From: Eric Walker Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 2:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Whopper of the Week On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> wrote: Piantelli's measurement of the Ni-H reaction shows prompt charged high energy protons. Indeed. As well as "heavy particles" (my vote: alphas) [1]. In saying that little in the way of prompt charged particles has been observed I am close to parroting the teaching that charged particles are not commensurate with excess heat. David Nagel wrote the following, which is interesting to consider: Temporal and quantitative correlations between excess heat and both fast particles and photons have been sought in a few cases. Such experiments are challenging. First, there has to be production of excess power, which is not always possible to achieve. Even when there is excess power production, it is commonly unsteady as a function of time. Good equipment for measurement of energetic particles is relatively expensive and not widely available. It is well known that the number of fast neutrons or charged particles emitted from LENR experiments is generally small. [2] So the experiments are challenging and require expensive equipment. The last point about neutrons is easy to agree with; harder so with charged particles. There are people who will argue vociferously that prompt charged particles are not part of the main process or processes in LENR. I suppose there are always a few people who will argue one or another position vociferously. Such people are entitled to their opinion. I myself find this avenue of investigation very interesting. I have many questions: how sure are we about the limits on prompt charged particles? Has an easy generalization been allowed to slip through without a proper investigation? (If so, this would not be the first time.) In those experiments that have been done, in which was there a lot of excess heat? What about the so-called "hamburger" tracks seen in some of the CR-39 experiments? Etc. Eric [1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6id5Hf-xMWOYXVjekJCN1ZkQk0/view, slide 30. [2] http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/Nagel118.pdf
