NASA whats to form metalized hydrogen to use as Rocket fuel. It produces 20
times more energy that burning ordinary hydrogen generates. It looks like
LENR can increase that energy storage capacity by a million times. That
would make a great rocket fuel.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:50 PM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: H LV
> >
> > Ø       All claims of excess of heat (including P&F's) are based on
> > observations of thermal anomalies plus the hypothesis that the storage of
> > input energy is either irrelevant or impossible. There has never been an
> > energy audit that proves the effect yields more energy produced than all
> the
> > energy used throughout the *entire* history of an experiment.
> >
> > That’s not accurate, Harry. P&F ran a cell for 6 months of continuous
> gain
> > in France, and Thermacore ran for over a year. No way was the startup
> delay
> > which was not over a couple of days in either case - commensurate with
> the
> > net output over the long runtime.
> >
> > Ø       In other words, the possibility of "unknown" storage effect has
> > never
> > been ruled out.
> >
> > That is partially true, since in one sense there probably is always a
> > “storage effect,” within the process. It would be ongoing, however, and
> is
> > already factored into the net gain in situations like the above – in the
> two
> > long runs, one of P&F and the other Thermacore.
>
> In the case of P & F has the energy spent loading the Pd before the
> excess heat event
> been included in calculations of gain? And by that I don't mean the
> energy used in theory to the load the Pd,
> I mean the actual energy used.
> As I said in the case of Thermocore their claim of gain still involves
> an assumption about energy loss to the environment.
> The assumption might be a reasonable working hypothesis but that
> doesn't guarantee it is accurate.
>
> > If Rossi has proved net gain
> > over a year, he would be the third instance of very long gain.
> >
>
> I think it will average out to no gain.
>
> >
> > This ongoing storage would be the situation where dense hydrogen or
> > deuterium must be made in situ, before being use for gain. However, in a
> > well-controlled system, the manufacture and use are in sync and after the
> > startup delay - there is continuity of gain despite the ongoing storage.
>
> A research emphasis on gain has meant LENR's potential for energy
> storage and conversion has been overlooked.
> So even if it proves impractical or impossible for LENR to serve as a
> source of cheap and clean energy, LENR can still shine in other
> respects.
>
> Harry
>
>

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