On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: H LV > > Ø All claims of excess of heat (including P&F's) are based on > observations of thermal anomalies plus the hypothesis that the storage of > input energy is either irrelevant or impossible. There has never been an > energy audit that proves the effect yields more energy produced than all the > energy used throughout the *entire* history of an experiment. > > That’s not accurate, Harry. P&F ran a cell for 6 months of continuous gain > in France, and Thermacore ran for over a year. No way was the startup delay > which was not over a couple of days in either case - commensurate with the > net output over the long runtime. > > Ø In other words, the possibility of "unknown" storage effect has > never > been ruled out. > > That is partially true, since in one sense there probably is always a > “storage effect,” within the process. It would be ongoing, however, and is > already factored into the net gain in situations like the above – in the two > long runs, one of P&F and the other Thermacore.
In the case of P & F has the energy spent loading the Pd before the excess heat event been included in calculations of gain? And by that I don't mean the energy used in theory to the load the Pd, I mean the actual energy used. As I said in the case of Thermocore their claim of gain still involves an assumption about energy loss to the environment. The assumption might be a reasonable working hypothesis but that doesn't guarantee it is accurate. > If Rossi has proved net gain > over a year, he would be the third instance of very long gain. > I think it will average out to no gain. > > This ongoing storage would be the situation where dense hydrogen or > deuterium must be made in situ, before being use for gain. However, in a > well-controlled system, the manufacture and use are in sync and after the > startup delay - there is continuity of gain despite the ongoing storage. A research emphasis on gain has meant LENR's potential for energy storage and conversion has been overlooked. So even if it proves impractical or impossible for LENR to serve as a source of cheap and clean energy, LENR can still shine in other respects. Harry
