See below... On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Higgins etal. > > I agree that the definitions are confusing. I have understood that > Rydberg matter refers to an ionic state of an element where there are no > associated electrons in orbits associated with a given nucleus. Thus Li-3 > would be a raw +3 particle in a solid state material, not a plasma of > individual, totally ionized Li-3. The solid state is one coherent quantum > mechanical system and has electron energy states associated with the whole > coherent system and not any one positive charge. The electrons are free to > move about in some energy state or states. The motion of the positive > charge centers are much better determined because of their mass. The > larger the mass of the positive charge the more stable the Rydberg matter > is. Deuterium Rydberg matter is more stable than H Rydberg matter because > of the added mass of the D relative to the H. Several of the Ólafsson > slides from the SRI presentation depict this situation in an planar array > of atoms with a sea of electrons around each positive charge center. > Nope. Rydberg excited atoms are neutral with nearly the largest possible electron orbitals before ionization would occur. When Rydberg matter forms, the electrons of the RM system extend around and in between other Rydberg state atoms in various RM orbitals - just like in any other condensed matter, only more extended, and primarily in a plane. The RM cluster/molecule/snowflake IS a planar molecule, but it can warp easily in electric and magnetic fields. > > As the planar structure forms, other local planar structures may come > together and form a large Rydberg molecule or crystal---a single coherent > system. This condensation would release energy as it happens. (My thought > was that this may be some of the LENR energy release in over unity > reactors.) > This is Winterberg's proposition for the formation of the super-dense state that is the precursor to the UDD (Winterberg says UDH cannot form, but Holmlid says it does). It is just another form of anisotropic condensed matter. > > As Jones has suggested, Rossi has engineered a system with many reactors > in his nano Ni particles. > Rossi has more than once said he does not use Ni nanoparticles - only Ni particles with a mean diameter of about 4 microns. > The condensation of Rydberg matter hydrogen may be occurring within the > lattice structure of the Ni and bringing the Ni into the coherent system as > a participating positive charge center. The plane of the FCC lattices > which includes hexagonal arrangements of Ni nuclei may facilitate the > hexagonal Rydberg H or D to integrate properly into the coherent system. > (The plane I am referring to in the FCC structure is not parallel to any of > the orthogonal axes of the FCC structure, but runs at a 45 degree angle to > an orthogonal axis of the FCC structure.) > In Rossi's low temperature eCats, the elements found in his ash and analysis of a catalyst suggest he is using an Fisher-Tropsch catalyst that is doped Fe2O3 (He would have been familiar with F-T catalysts from previous work in hydrocarbon cracking to make oil). Holmlid claims use of a doped Fe2O3 catalyst for the formation of the super-dense phase in its pores I believe. RM is huge! Even neutral monatomic hydrogen (much smaller) does not want to enter the Ni lattice. > > It should be possible to determine if such a structure exists with a > neutron scattering experiment where both the relative locations of H or D > and Ni can be deduced. > > A possible density could be calculated for the “ultra-dense” hydrogen by > assuming the stacking of the planes of Hydrogen Rydberg matter in the Ni > lattice with a proton at the center of each tetrahedron associated with NI > nuclei in adjacent 45 degree planes described above. A defined direction > in any nano particle would be established by a magnetic field that I guess > would line up the particle such that the 45 degree plane would be > perpendicular to the ambient field. I have assumed that the motion of the > electrons in the plane would form a magnetic moment associated with the > plane that would cause alignment of the whole nano particle with the > ambient field. (I think Holmlid suggests that the H involved in such a > system would in fact be of the order of 2 fm and hence the inverted > Rydberg atom. I was not able to find a prediction of the H density nor any > measurement of what Holmlid thinks he identified.) Holmlid did not refer > to the D (0) or H (0) as inverted Rydberg atoms however. > > The same sort of magnetic alignment would be occurring in the Holmlid > laser activation system in response to the oscillating magnetic field of > the laser. > > It may be that given the availability of spin receptors within the > coherent system, it is possible to make LENR transitions WITHOUT the > ejection of neutrinos to carry angular momentum as Jones suggested may be > the case. All the energy may be distributed via spin coupling in the Ni > reactor consistent with the observation of little or not radiation. The > nano Ni reactor may not only provide a structure for a large coherent > system, but a lattice to extract thermal energy away from the reaction of > the coherent system which forms as H or D is added and then changes as the > LENR occurs to change the basic positive charge centers. At the higher > temperatures associated with the 1100 C Ni systems, H may first change to > a thermal neutron and hence contribute to the transmutations of Ni isotopes > to lower energy nucleons. This would be the reverse of a neutron decay > process, facilitated by the intense B field. > > If neutrons in fact are produced as suggested above, a simple addition of > a trace amount of an activation test element, such as Hf, would provide > evidence for such a population of thermal neutrons. The activation could > be monitored after testing was completed. (Hf has a very large reaction > cross section for thermal neutrons. One would not want to make it a > constituent element in a commercial reactor using thermal neutrons given > its nasty activation property. ) > > Bob Cook > > > > > > > *From:* Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:10 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions > > It strikes me that as we are using some of the acronyms we are losing > sight of their properties. > > Holmlid describes his Ultra-Dense Hydrogen (UDH), and Ultra-Dense > Deuterium (UDD) as forming from Rydberg Matter (RM). Rydberg Matter (RM) > is a cluster of atoms in the Rydberg state. So, lets start with a > description of Rydberg state (please help me to get these correct): > > *Rydberg state:* As an atom becomes increasingly excited, the electron > orbitals change to larger orbitals (let's stick with hydrogen for the > moment). As the atom absorbs more and more energy, the orbital diameter > generally increases. At some excitation, just before ionization of the > atom, the orbitals are huge and largely flattened into a disk. The Rydberg > states is a very excited, HIGH ENERGY STATE of the atom with a large > diameter flattened disk-like orbital. Then energy is just below the energy > for ionization of the atom. Because of the huge electron orbital radius, > the Rydberg atom has a huge magnetic moment. > > *Rydberg Matter:* RM could be variously described as a molecular form of > atoms each in a Rydberg state, or a cluster or condensed matter in Rydberg > state. Rydberg clusters/molecules are huge because, the orbitals of the > individual atoms, each of which is in a Rydberg state, is huge. Rydberg > matter hydrogen forms with large numbers of Rydberg state hydrogen (or > deuterium) atoms into a large flat hexagonal cluster. The cluster can be > fairly stable; lasting for long periods of time if not disturbed (like in > space). The RM cluster is strongly affected by electric and magnetic > field. Note that the total energy in a RM cluster is VERY HIGH because > each of the atoms is in a high energy Rydberg state. The existence of > Rydberg Matter is well documented with many experiments. > > *UDH or UDD:* Ultra-Dense Hydrogen or Ultra-Dense Deuterium is a > controversially described and poorly understood form of matter. Its > existence is purely speculative/hypothetical - based on measurements made > of particle energies leaving Holmlid's experiments. Holmlid believes his > evidence suggests the spontaneous formation of UDH and UDD from RM. > Spontaneous transformations normally occur from a higher energy state to a > lower energy state, so the UDH/UDD would likely be lower energy than the > RM. Transition from the high energy RM state to the UDH/UDD state should > then be accompanied by the emission of energy in some form. Winterberg > proposes a theory that stacks of the flat RM can form into super-dense > states inside of an Fe2O3 catalyst pore, and subsequently "switch" to a UDD > form. According to Winterberg, UDH cannot form. In Winterberg's theory, > the "switch" seems to be presented as a swap between two nearly identical > energy states, not requiring energy emission/absorbtion. If that is the > case, then the UDD state would be a HIGH energy state of deuterium. There > is very little evidence supporting the existence or nature of UDH or UDD. > > *Inverted Rydberg Hydrogen:* IRH is a coined term to describe an atom > that has lost energy and entered a state BELOW the ground level. It is > equivalent to the *Hydrino* of Mills, and to some of the Deep Dirac > Levels (DDL) described by Maly & Va'vra, Naudts (sort of), Meulenberg, and > Paillet. IRH is a LOW energy form of a hydrogen atom, because its energy > is below the ground level. > > *Deep Dirac Level (DDL):* DDL comprises a set of states BELOW the ground > level of the atom. Existence of these sub-ground level states was first > predicted using the relativistic form of the Schrodinger equation, the > Klein-Gordon equation, by Naudts. Naudts showed that the K-G equation had > a solution at a very deep level that was about 500 keV below the ground > level for hydrogen. Note, the Schrodinger equation is only an > approximation - it accounts for spin, but not special relativistic > effects. The Klein-Gordon equation includes the effects of special > relativity, but not spin. Dirac derived a beautiful general equation that > included both spin and special relativity. Solutions to the Dirac equation > predict more accurately (than Schrodinger) the normal states of hydrogen > (ground level and above), and also predicts many solutions for levels below > the ground state. It is quite hard to prove that these levels below the > ground state of hydrogen (the DDL levels) exist, because the transition > between DDL levels apparently cannot be accomplished via photon emission > (our normal means for detecting level transition). Meulenberg states that > photon emission/absorption for state transition between the DDL levels is > forbidden due to insufficient angular momentum in the DDL orbitals to > create a photon. DDL transitions apparently can only be accomplished by > evanescent means - I.E. direct interaction with other particles and their > local fields. Solutions to the DDL equation for hydrogen/deuterium suggest > that there is an energy level as low as 509 keV below the ground state, > having a corresponding electron orbital at a few femtometer radius - nearly > touching the nucleus. Note that this DDL level is an extremely LOW energy > state of the atom - a lot of energy must be REMOVED to deliver the atom to > this state. > > As can be seen Rydberg states and DDL states are opposites in terms of > energy. Rydberg states are HIGH energy states and DDL states are LOW > energy states. > > It seems hard to believe that the UDH state can spontaneously form from > the RM state because we are talking about condensed matter changing state > all at once, and the resulting state, while being highly dense, is also > HIGH energy. > > Bob Higgins > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> >> >> That distinction is probably correct, although Miley’s version, which is >> no longer in favor, can be either clusters or singlets, IIRC. In the >> Lawandy model, the electrons are internalized to the substrate, and a >> dielectric substrate is required. I am hoping that Meulenberg will address >> the issue one of these days – of exactly how his Femto or DDL concept is >> either the same or different from UDH. >> >> >> >> The semantic problem with calling multiple nuclei a “cluster” is that >> there really is no 3D agglomeration. The UDD cluster is two dimensional >> like a film of one atom thickness, and should probably be called an >> ultra-dense thin film. At least that is the latest Holmlid version AFAIK. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bob Higgins >> >> >> >> Jones, isn't there a distinction between [UDH and UDD] and the [IRH and >> DDL]? As I understood it [IRH and DDL] are references to sub-ground states >> for an individual hydrogen atom. OTOH, [UDH and UDD] are condensed matter >> states of multiple atoms. Did I get this wrong? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> From: Robert Dorr >> >> Nicely done presentation. Well worth giving a look. >> >> >> These are the same slides used by Ólafsson at the colloquium back in >> October >> at SRI, reported here: >> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105372.html >> >> Here is the easy link to the slides >> https://goo.gl/Zlenbp >> >> However, even today – the majority of observers in LENR seems to gloss >> over >> the main point – which is that although fusion can happen, the bulk of the >> energy release is in the form of muons (aka meson chain) and is generally >> lost to the reactor itself (since most of the energy ends up as >> neutrinos). >> Even so, there is net gain. The implication is that if properly >> engineered, >> the gain will be much higher. >> >> In short, “something is accidentally created,” which causes seemingly >> impossible nuclear reactions (nucleon disintegration) and that something >> is >> UDH or UDD – ultra dense hydrogen. George Miley used to call it IRH or >> inverted Rydberg hydrogen. Now it is simply call UDH or DDL (deep Dirac >> level). >> >> Ultra-dense hydrogen can be the source of all or part of Cold fusion LENR >> related phenomena. Laser induced fusion in UDH is the most effective way >> to >> see the results since it produces muons as the longest-lived species. This >> is also known as the “meson chain reaction” and the lifetime is several >> microseconds, so that most of the energy will be deposited as neutrinos >> many >> meters away from the reactor – up to hundreds of meters. >> >> >> > >
