It strikes me that as we are using some of the acronyms we are losing sight
of their properties.

Holmlid describes his Ultra-Dense Hydrogen (UDH), and Ultra-Dense Deuterium
(UDD) as forming from Rydberg Matter (RM).  Rydberg Matter (RM) is a
cluster of atoms in the Rydberg state.  So, lets start with a description
of Rydberg state (please help me to get these correct):

*Rydberg state:*  As an atom becomes increasingly excited, the electron
orbitals change to larger orbitals (let's stick with hydrogen for the
moment).  As the atom absorbs more and more energy, the orbital diameter
generally increases.  At some excitation, just before ionization of the
atom, the orbitals are huge and largely flattened into a disk.  The Rydberg
states is a very excited, HIGH ENERGY STATE of the atom with a large
diameter flattened disk-like orbital.  Then energy is just below the energy
for ionization of the atom.  Because of the huge electron orbital radius,
the Rydberg atom has a huge magnetic moment.

*Rydberg Matter:*  RM could be variously described as a molecular form of
atoms each in a Rydberg state, or a cluster or condensed matter in Rydberg
state.  Rydberg clusters/molecules are huge because, the orbitals of the
individual atoms, each of which is in a Rydberg state, is huge.  Rydberg
matter hydrogen forms with large numbers of Rydberg state hydrogen (or
deuterium) atoms into a large flat hexagonal cluster.  The cluster can be
fairly stable; lasting for long periods of time if not disturbed (like in
space).  The RM cluster is strongly affected by electric and magnetic
field.  Note that the total energy in a RM cluster is VERY HIGH because
each of the atoms is in a high energy Rydberg state.  The existence of
Rydberg Matter is well documented with many experiments.

*UDH or UDD:*  Ultra-Dense Hydrogen or Ultra-Dense Deuterium is a
controversially described and poorly understood form of matter.  Its
existence is purely speculative/hypothetical - based on measurements made
of particle energies leaving Holmlid's experiments.  Holmlid believes his
evidence suggests the spontaneous formation of UDH and UDD from RM.
Spontaneous transformations normally occur from a higher energy state to a
lower energy state, so the UDH/UDD would likely be lower energy than the
RM.  Transition from the high energy RM state to the UDH/UDD state should
then be accompanied by the emission of energy in some form.  Winterberg
proposes a theory that stacks of the flat RM can form into super-dense
states inside of an Fe2O3 catalyst pore, and subsequently "switch" to a UDD
form.  According to Winterberg, UDH cannot form.  In Winterberg's theory,
the "switch" seems to be presented as a swap between two nearly identical
energy states, not requiring energy emission/absorbtion.  If that is the
case, then the UDD state would be a HIGH energy state of deuterium.  There
is very little evidence supporting the existence or nature of UDH or UDD.

*Inverted Rydberg Hydrogen:*  IRH is a coined term to describe an atom that
has lost energy and entered a state BELOW the ground level.  It is
equivalent to the *Hydrino* of Mills, and to some of the Deep Dirac Levels
(DDL) described by Maly & Va'vra, Naudts (sort of), Meulenberg, and
Paillet.  IRH is a LOW energy form of a hydrogen atom, because its energy
is below the ground level.

*Deep Dirac Level (DDL):*  DDL comprises a set of states BELOW the ground
level of the atom.  Existence of these sub-ground level states was first
predicted using the relativistic form of the Schrodinger equation, the
Klein-Gordon equation, by Naudts.  Naudts showed that the K-G equation had
a solution at a very deep level that was about 500 keV below the ground
level for hydrogen.  Note, the Schrodinger equation is only an
approximation - it accounts for spin, but not special relativistic
effects.  The Klein-Gordon equation includes the effects of special
relativity, but not spin.  Dirac derived a beautiful general equation that
included both spin and special relativity.  Solutions to the Dirac equation
predict more accurately (than Schrodinger) the normal states of hydrogen
(ground level and above), and also predicts many solutions for levels below
the ground state.  It is quite hard to prove that these levels below the
ground state of hydrogen (the DDL levels) exist, because the transition
between DDL levels apparently cannot be accomplished via photon emission
(our normal means for detecting level transition).  Meulenberg states that
photon emission/absorption for state transition between the DDL levels is
forbidden due to insufficient angular momentum in the DDL orbitals to
create a photon.  DDL transitions apparently can only be accomplished by
evanescent means - I.E. direct interaction with other particles and their
local fields.  Solutions to the DDL equation for hydrogen/deuterium suggest
that there is an energy level as low as 509 keV below the ground state,
having a corresponding electron orbital at a few femtometer radius - nearly
touching the nucleus.  Note that this DDL level is an extremely LOW energy
state of the atom - a lot of energy must be REMOVED to deliver the atom to
this state.

As can be seen Rydberg states and DDL states are opposites in terms of
energy.  Rydberg states are HIGH energy states and DDL states are LOW
energy states.

It seems hard to believe that the UDH state can spontaneously form from the
RM state because we are talking about condensed matter changing state all
at once, and the resulting state, while being highly dense, is also HIGH
energy.

Bob Higgins

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
>
>
> That distinction is probably correct, although Miley’s version, which is
> no longer in favor, can be either clusters or singlets, IIRC. In the
> Lawandy model, the electrons are internalized to the substrate, and a
> dielectric substrate is required. I am hoping that Meulenberg will address
> the issue one of these days – of exactly how his Femto or DDL concept is
> either the same or different from UDH.
>
>
>
> The semantic problem with calling multiple nuclei a “cluster” is that
> there really is no 3D agglomeration. The UDD cluster is two dimensional
> like a film of one atom thickness, and should probably be called an
> ultra-dense thin film. At least that is the latest Holmlid version AFAIK.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Higgins
>
>
>
> Jones, isn't there a distinction between [UDH and UDD] and the [IRH and
> DDL]?  As I understood it [IRH and DDL] are references to sub-ground states
> for an individual hydrogen atom.  OTOH, [UDH and UDD] are condensed matter
> states of multiple atoms.  Did I get this wrong?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Dorr
>
> Nicely done presentation. Well worth giving a look.
>
>
> These are the same slides used by Ólafsson at the colloquium back in
> October
> at SRI, reported here:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105372.html
>
> Here is the easy link to the slides
> https://goo.gl/Zlenbp
>
> However, even today – the majority of observers in LENR seems to gloss over
> the main point – which is that although fusion can happen, the bulk of the
> energy release is in the form of muons (aka meson chain) and is generally
> lost to the reactor itself (since most of the energy ends up as neutrinos).
> Even so, there is net gain. The implication is that if properly engineered,
> the gain will be much higher.
>
> In short, “something is accidentally created,” which causes seemingly
> impossible nuclear reactions (nucleon disintegration) and that something is
> UDH or UDD – ultra dense hydrogen. George Miley used to call it IRH or
> inverted Rydberg hydrogen. Now it is simply call UDH or DDL (deep Dirac
> level).
>
> Ultra-dense hydrogen can be the source of all or part of Cold fusion LENR
> related phenomena. Laser induced fusion in UDH is the most effective way to
> see the results since it produces muons as the longest-lived species. This
> is also known as the “meson chain reaction” and the lifetime is several
> microseconds, so that most of the energy will be deposited as neutrinos
> many
> meters away from the reactor – up to hundreds of meters.
>
>
>

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