You appear to be missing the point here. It amazes me that you seem to
believe that gas phase LENR is possible but for some reason are certain that
Rossi does not see any extra heat generation. I would conclude that gas phase
LENR is likely not possible what so ever if Rossi's system does not generate
some excess heat. The question is how much does he produce? There is
evidence of excess heat generation during his earlier demonstrations that I
consider reasonably sound.
And, his structure makes a great deal of sense to many of us. Surely you
realize that the active mixture must be heated in order to initiate the
reaction. And, once a reaction takes off, it can be controlled by modulating
the input drive power. I fail to understand why you believe that the internal
heater is not required? That is not to suggest that an external heat source
could not be substituted in an alternate configuration.
I am curious about how you would construct a gas phase system that is
practical? What would be the three dimensional shape that you would choose,
the type of heating employed, active material, etc.? Once you begin the actual
engineering of the device you will find that Rossi is not totally out in left
field.
Should I say it again? I have serious doubts about whether or not Rossi is
making the 1 MW that he claims in his current system. And, I want to
understand how the meters might be hiding the real results if they in fact are
wrong. There must be a good explanation in science that we can find if we
think about the problem and eventually get the data from him. This new
knowledge will guide us in the future in case others become confused in a
similar manner. I hate guessing if the truth can be determined.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen A. Lawrence <sa...@pobox.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document
You don't seem to get it.
Rossi has been shown to be lying and fabricating results.
ROSSI.
ROSSI is not to be believed. His "experiments" are consequently
worthless, because the basic assumption of good faith, on which all
conventional analysis of experiments ultimately rests, is gone.
This has nothing to do with gas-phase LENR, which has looked promising
ever since it was first tried, in Italy, IIRC, a few decades ago.
Unfortunately Rossi has totally muddied the water with his Rube Goldberg
machine which apparently has as its single purpose to provide a (bogus)
justification for including a heater within the reactor, which makes all of
his results a little harder to believe right from the get-go. Wet LENR
requires a power source to drive the electrolysis, which hairs up the
analysis, but it's unavoidable. Gas-phase LENR, OTOH, doesn't naturally
require a power source; Rossi's claims that his machine was "too dangerous"
to operate WITHOUT a heater inside rang false to start with and nothing's
made it sound any better since.
People lie, scammers exist. Once you've figured out that's what you're
dealing with, you should understand that you have *no* good information on
anything about his "experiments" and any analysis is unlikely to get you
anything useful.
On 08/09/2016 12:43 AM, David Roberson wrote:
As I stated, I have many concerns about his system. On the other
hand, I have a much more positive belief that some form of nickel,
hydrogen, lithium gas system might generate additional heat. As long
as that possibility exists within my mind I fail to see how Rossi's
experiment would be completely invalid.
Are you convinced that LENR is not a real phenomena? If so, I
will understand why you are taking the position that Rossi
absolutely can not be believed. That is OK, everyone is entitled to
their beliefs.
If it becomes clear to me that my attempts to uncover a
scientific explanation of how someone might be scamming an experiment
I don't understand what you mean by that.
He lies about meter readings, about power input, about flow rate, about
the phase (gas or liquid) of the water in his system.
What's to "learn" or "uncover" here? How to be a world-class liar?
Humans have evolved that ability over millions of years; we're mostly pretty
good at it.
The "physics" of his experiments, if any, is utterly uninteresting
because it is entirely lost in the smoke he blows in order to conceal what
he's actually doing. And it's vanishingly unlikely that the "physics"
involves anything deeper than V=IR plus a bit of misdirection while he
switches samples in order to fool the rubes.
Gas-phase LENR is worthwhile and deserves to be explore further.
Rossi's so-called ECAT, on the other hand, isn't, and *any* attempt at
guiding exploration of gas-phase LENR using Rossi's "results" is wasted
effort.
is wasting time for 'everyone' on this list, I will refrain from that
effort.
You may not remember that I have contributed to the resolution
of many important issues in the past. Also, I have constructed
thermal system models that yield quite interesting results that you
can find in the list archives if interested.
YOUR VALUE is not in question. The value of doing anything more with
ROSSI (and, indeed, Rossi's value) most certainly IS in question.
There is no need to "resolve" this issue. It's already resolved. The
only thing to be "resolved" is the deep denial in which a number of members
of Vortex are still residing.
